2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

it's embarrassing

ours are at least sly about their lies, they have some illusion of impartiality to mask their agendas

stfu please louie

The Sun Wants You To Make Britain Great.

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We learned it from the NME, louis

Reaching back many minutes worth of posts:

Yeah, I am pretty sure a good 97% of the 2004 Bush voters will vote McCain. Now that Palin is on board, I expect she'll attract a lot of evangelicals who might have been 'too busy' to vote.

You've got to remember that Kerry had huge leads among college-educated voters and professionals. Bush rode back in on the backs of people who respond almost entirely to emotional appeals (as opposed to us 'elitists' who sometimes mix a small amount of reasoning ability in with our predominately emotional responses).

McCain/Palin is appealing to the same mix of fears, patriotism, anti-intellectualism, anti-government feeling, and religiosity that Bush used so effectively. Their campaign has solidified the base once more and the Republican coalition is mostly intact.

I repeat, Obama will win by assembling a bigger coalition, not by converting Bush voters.

Take it to another thread, Louis, svp.

Aimless, can you just admit that it will be a combination of things and not just THIS ONE THING?

I mean I agree with you re: building bigger coalition, but there were plenty of centrists who didn't like Kerry. (And yes, Kerry STILL almost won.)

Also, one thing Bush/Cheney/Rove did that McCain didn't is that the former didn't explicitly embrace an evangelical on the ticket itself, literally and figuratively.

Aimless, I think you might be a teensy bit wrong. I have seen some conspicuous Republicans turning to Obama and there may be a small percentage of principled Republicans (if any still exist) who neither trust McCain nor their party much right now.

voting for bush in 2004 is attributed as the #1 cause of white guilt in americans since katrina

btw i know i'm basically doing an english deezsteez but i'm confused at how such blatant fallacy is trumpeted by national media outlets

I knew as soon as I posted this without the qualifier "as it is in our country, but more directly/outrageously" I was in shit. Sorry to have bothered you.

I'm just at a low-point, and I think I might have tonsilitis. Reading some of the stuff Ethan and company just posted to this thread (along with that right-wing cartoon thread) was some kind of tipping-point. There are no character-slurring depths to which these bastards won't sink. We don't have an equivalent in the UK. The BNP occasionally get ward councillors in but they don't get seats in Parliament. In some parts of the US, people with even more despicable ideals than the BNP's are in absolute control of entire districts. The whole thing is alien to me, and I am merely trying to make sense of it. An idea of "glory" seems to lie at the heart of it, "self-identity", shame that the people involved are such inglorious political chameleons.

for the love of fuck and all that is moses, just shut the hell up

suggest ban

I think Andrew Sullivan conservatives are less numerous than we think, but one can hope.

Yeah, I am pretty sure a good 97% of the 2004 Bush voters will vote McCain. Now that Palin is on board, I expect she'll attract a lot of evangelicals who might have been 'too busy' to vote.

I don't think so. In 2004, 62 million people voted for Bush, who consistently polled in the 48-54% range after Labor Day. While it's possible that he could get dragged over the line with sufficient turnout - 2004's was the highest since the '60s - I really don't think McCain, who is polling in the 42-48% range, is going to get 97 percent of Bush's vote, or 60 million, which is more than the 59 million who voted for Kerry and way more than the 50 million who voted for Bush in 2000.

Louis, I am not ragging on you and I think you have brought a point worthy of debate but not here, please. It's debate day in America at the end of one of the most momentous weeks in American economic history and I haven't the stomach or the interest in getting sidetracked into the relative fucked-upedness of our respective Fourth Estates right now.

dewey defeats truman
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'andrew sullivan conservative' is a horrible insulting thing to call someone

but i catch your drift. there were probably more republicans leaning towards dem during the primary season, when the repub nomination field was wide open

A Hostile Audience [Rich Lowry]

One side effect of McCain's debate gambit is, I'm told, that everyone at Ole Miss now hates him. It will make for a very hostile audience tonight among those students and faculty attending. He might have to apologize for creating the uncertainty or make some explanation up front, which is never ideal.

Michael stop talking to him for chrissakes.

Pics with Cindy McCain in Seattle/eastside at a fundraiser two days ago... since the campaign was suspended, it must have been raising money to fight pine beetles or something

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You guys carry on, I'm going to make shrimp & grits.

i wonder when a major British political party will nominate a black person for PM

The Mudflats blog -- which has been great for tracking Palin funnies -- has just moved to its new home:

http://www.themudflats.net/

Well worth a scrounge if you've not been there yet.

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how many george will conservatives are there?

versions of this clip going around: toobin spanking the rest of the cnn talking head lineup for buying the "suspension" uncritically

especially interesting to see wolf blitzer hastily trying to air out mccain's argument for himself one last time, like "oh shit no wait, coach might be watching!!" the psychology of MSM maverick-love is so fucking weird

so since this debate is on we will presumably get to see palin debate next week, yes? OH MAN I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THAT

although i am half expecting the mccain camp to come up with some inane excuse at the last minute about why she won't attend, like baby trig being miraculously cured of the Downs or the impending Rapture or witch-craft related blindness

Huck: McCain made a huge mistake

when's the first snowfall in AK? if you don't get a few good runs in on the fresh powder, your snow machine season is fucked. it's a family thing.

xp

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would smash

cindy casts demonic ice pick for beatdown

i envision a people mag cover exclaiming SHE'S HAVING A BABY! with Palin suddenly 8 months pregnant.

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STEEMPUNK

WORK IT, CINDY

is she holding a trout fillet or something?

Why is that lady on her right aiming to pinch her nipple?

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look at how pleasant she looks!

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Has there already been announced that tonight's debate will also be about the economy? They surely won't only talk about foreign politics now right?

that jacket is pretty sharp on her, why because it cost 2 thousadn dollar

i think tonight's debate is 'potpourri'

as far as i know, the debate format is unchanged and the topic will be foreign policy, though their opening remarks will undoubtedly be about the economic crisis

"i'll take potent potables for 200, jim."

i'm pretty sure they've thrown foreign-policy-only out the window

crazzzy picture

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