Rolling 'this is sexist' thread

who the fuck is jeffrey wells?

― kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, February 13, 2015 9:20 AM Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

jeffrey wells is a 2015 tastemaker whose findings have been derived from self-serving memories of his heyday as a flannel-shirt-wearing wolf frequenting the westport players tavern in the mid to late '70s.

there was some other segment on Inside Amy Schumer where she was doing street interviews and made some asian guys = small dicks joke, I don't see it online tho

there's tons of this stuff in her material and unlike w Sarah Silverman, the jokes aren't about how racist she's being, they're about how real and funny racial stereotypes are. which, when they're being perpetuated by a white woman, they aren't.

xp

that's pretty disappointing; that video linked is typical racist comedian shit

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/p87njw/stand-up-amy-schumer--can-t-win

― Οὖτις, Thursday, February 12, 2015 6:42 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

My eyebrow started down, but by the end it was on its feet

GOP keepin it REAL: http://www.salon.com/2015/02/13/gop_lawmaker_calls_women_a_lesser_cut_of_meat/

The irony of all of Wells's dumbshit kvetching is that Apatow, who is one of those "schlumpies & dumpies" is married to Leslie Mann, who is a stone-cold fox.

Rogen's wife is a looker as well.

In the comments on the second Wells piece, a reader points out that he isn't being sexist because he's being equally critical about less attractive male stars. Which is all well and good, but (A) It started with a less than enlightened set of comments he made about Schumer, and (B) if this isn't as a whole defined as 'sexist', the shoe certainly fits for 'shallow' to the degree that a sample spoon from Baskin Robbins is at a Grand Canyon-level of depth in comparison to Mr. Wells.

Yeah, that.

Also, isn't/wasn't Schumer dating Anthony Jeselnik? I mean, he's no Jeff Wells but

http://www.quotessays.com/images/anthony-jeselnik-6.jpg

Wells says 'I'm Sorry': http://www.hollywood-elsewhere.com/2015/02/sorrow-uncorks-everything/#more-63213

I know I’m not thinking wrong but I’m probably saying it wrong from time to time.

no you are thinking wrong

"I don’t want to drag the late, magisterial David Carr into this but his passing last night shocked me right down to the marrow of my bones, and we all know how great sadnesses have a way of re-ordering our thinking and opening our minds a crack..."

o_0

and also saying it wrong

just watched the second episode of Amy Schumer's show. she has funny skits that I'd like to keep watching, but it came to a crash with the end bit where she talks about how she used to date primarily Hispanic men and was hence into nonconsensual sex... followed by the "hey, everyone's been a little raped" routine. just thinking oh for fuck's sake, you're one of those, sigh

Relatively small potatoes in the scheme of things, but for some reason, despite the obvious demographics of the collector fanbase, Star Wars licensees still insist on gendering toys and limiting the number of female characthers. When called on it, Hasbro answers in remarkably stupid fashion: http://toybox.io9.com/hasbro-flounders-when-asked-about-the-lack-of-female-st-1686572897

The reporting on these teenage jihadists has a hint of the "they need extra protection because they're girls" about it.

In terms of people running off to IS, that might be accurate

Recently, the CEO of our company hosted a webinar with a business partner of ours, in which she led a roundtable discussion with seven women who are the CEOs of PR companies. We had a blog post up promoting the event, and today I found a comment that was in the "pending queue," from a man who heads up a PR consulting operation. His comment was:

Wow! Is this someone’s idea of workplace diversity? Apparently there aren’t any guys running successful PR shops.
(Please save your flames and address the questions)

In 2015. Just a few days after a report was published noting that, among S&P 1500 companies, there are more CEOs named John or David than there are women, total.

http://assets.feministing.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Screen-Shot-2015-03-03-at-9.52.17-AM.png

is chaka khan a ceo now or wut lol

he needs to ask twitter when International Men's Day is OR IS THAT SEXIST?!?!
(It's Nov 19th)

see https://twitter.com/Herring1967 who has valiantly been putting people straight

Holy fuck those Jeffrey Wells blogs.... In what universe are Lena Dunham or Amy Schumer not "conventionally attractive"? Wells totally comes across as one of those whiny dudes who idolize "pickup artists" and fret over how alpha they are. In actuality, his every word oozes self-pity, lack of confidence, and general social ineptness - all the while spectacularly unaware that his unpopularity with women stems from his behavior and beliefs, not his looks.

I still can't believe I read this. http://jezebel.com/elementary-school-newsletter-shows-different-curriculum-1731540209

A newsletter sent to parents of grade school students in Texas showed very different curricula scheduled for the boys and girls. During a monthly class with the guidance counselor at Borchardt Elementary School, boys in the fourth and fifth grade would be learning about subjects pertaining to “college and career exploration.” What lessons were scheduled for the girls? “Girl Talk,” with subjects like “Confidence—How do we get it and can we have too much?” and “How to form lasting friendships.”

frisco, of course, pinche DFW

Julia Wertz has some thoughts: http://www.juliawertz.com/2015/10/05/on-sexual-harassment-and-public-discussion/

I was bummed when I saw the initial exchange on her twitter feed and didn't know what to say besides maybe apologizing on behalf of my gender but ugh

her site is up and down like crazy but it's worth a read on tumblr
http://juliawertz.tumblr.com/post/130623852724/on-sexual-harassment-and-public-discussion

i kinda don't want to take the creator of a book called FART PARTY seriously, but it's a solid article

welp, funny you should mention it
http://narrative.ly/stories/the-fart-party-really-stinks/

tl; dr: hard life, self-sabotaging, she kinda hates the title too.

She is a great cartoonist, her stuff is v funny

....so she gave up cartooning m/l to explore abandoned buildings? huh. ok. she sounds happier!

sort of. she returned to cartooning (in the NYer, among other things)

from FART PARTY to the New Yorker, what a world. good for her though. i do wonder what that Lizzy Kaplan TV series would've been like, also probably would have never watched it because of the title

Oh it would've been terrible

Just like a Joe Matt Peepshow show would've been terrible

For real? Am I missing something here, that you can read that piece, all about the harassment and abuse this woman has been facing, and your main takeaway and point of discussion is the title "Fart Party"? You don't think that's a bit of an odd priority?

I don't think that's anyone's main takeaway and point of discussion (though of course as Shakey says sometimes an article can be great and not lead to much discussion)?

Andrew, remember when I asked you at lunch last month, please not to explain "What Is Going On In A Thread On ILX To Me"? This is exactly the behaviour I was talking about.

I have formed, rightly or wrongly, an impression that this poster nhex is somehow implying that writing a comic with a scatological title is somehow a mitigating or justifying factor in experiencing harassment and stalking. Rather than say, flat out, "hey, that sounds a little too close to victim blaming" I am taking the time to ask if there is some other reason why they picked out that particular detail to dwell on, because it seemed weird and off to single out. So maybe there is another reason! Hence why I'm asking THAT poster. Not Andrew.

Er, I don't actually. We had a very pleasant lunch, because you (and me! and as far as I know everyone on ILX!) is actually perfectly socially nice in real-life, and then a little while later you texted me to not do something that I wasn't doing.

However, I remember that your text mentioned "if you have questions for/about me, please ask them directly" - it's not bad advice, all things considered.

Andrew, clearly I did not express myself well in that conversation/text exchange, but this is the thing, that I would prefer if you did not do.

I asked nhex a question. I'd like nhex to answer that question, so I can put my mind at rest.

Not have you explain to me what they meant, or tell me that I didn't need to ask the question. This is something that really bothers me, and I'd like if you didn't do it any more.

Now I consider this discussion over. Have a good day.

Then ask them privately! This is a public forum.

uh, no, i did not mean to imply that Wertz somehow deserved the harassment because of the title FART PARTY. thought it was obvious from my posts that i sympathized.
do i pass muster?

Wertz is a good writer, excellent cartoonist, obviously doesn't deserve the online and in person harassment. glad to see her career doing so well.

and fart party was a regrettable name. but hey, i am not one to talk.

she's posted an addendum. it is interesting to me that she's actively encouraging dialogue with her fans, soliciting/responding to emails, instead of holing up in a defensive "don't contact me!" way

Addendum: I tried to address questions I received within this post, but if you have any others, or just general feedback, you can email me at juliajwertz(at)gmail(dot)com.

Second Addendum: I had no idea this post was going to blow up the way it did. I’d like to thank everyone who shared and supported it. I have received a lot of encouraging emails, for which I am very grateful. I’ve also received a lot of criticism, some of which was clearly overly defensive, and some that has been very insightful for me. People who criticized my repeated use of the words men and women have a good point, and I’ve adjusted some things accordingly. Those who pointed out the incompleteness of my post are right in that I was working with just one blog post and I didn’t want to write a novel. The topic is much more broad, of course, but this is just my small input. There is no shortage of other information online and in books about this issue, in no way did I mean to present my point of view as comprehensive, or to speak for anyone but myself and the women in my life with whom I’ve spent years discussing this with. And while I appreciated some of the criticism, I found it interesting that the emails which veered toward unnecessary semantic nitpicking all came from men. Not a single woman took me to task for my word choices. I am not going to get into that for sake of time, but I will leave it up to you to interpret that as you wish. And for the record, many of the emails I received were from men who were very supportive, some of whom even brought to my attention certain things I should elaborate on, which I might do at a later time. But for now, thank you to everyone who supported this piece.

aaand even more:

http://www.juliawertz.com/2015/10/05/addendum/

http://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/nov/25/film-blogger-leonardo-dicaprio-the-revenant-too-brutal-women-jeffrey-wells

Is this sexist?

"
"'Tokyo' is the story of a man who loses interest in his wife and fantasizes about leaving her. His loss of interest is not merely a reflection of his feelings, but rather his unwillingness to grow old and the challenge age puts to his ego. His experience illuminates our societal obsession with youth culture and our ingrained fear of aging and loss of power. We value women only in the virgin ideal, often because they are thought to be conquerable and and a vessel for validating dominance. We would prefer to live in the fantasy of young skin rather than face our growth and relinquish control to our inevitable death.
"

Jesus God @ this: https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/08/05/too-op-girls-only-panel-metrocon-florida-scientist/