2008 USP(G)ET pt. II: counting the days to 2012 primary thread 1

Unlike several presidential candidates in recent years whose military service is questionable JOHN KERRY or non-existent BARACK OBAMA, you will not find anyone SWIFT-BOATERS to denigrate the integrity and moral courage of this man.

McCain's Brilliant Play: Bets Presidency on Blocking Bailout Deal

I was just coming here to post that. McCain's utter shamelessness is starting to become more apparent as his prime political strength.

I'm impressed that someone with those kinds of logic skills correctly spelled "genealogy".

In our opinion, this was a brilliant political play (and we're voting for Obama).

There's your self-loathing.

so McCain said he was suspending his campaign to get a deal done and wouldn't debate

he didn't suspend his campaign, there's no deal (widely seen as his doing), and he's going to the debate anyway

I know the bailout is unpopular but it's hard to see this as a big win

143 Days of Experience

by Cheri Jacobus

May 5, 2008

Just how much United States Senate experience does Barack Obama have in terms of actual work days?

Not much.

From the time Barack Obama was sworn in as a United State Senator, to the time he announced he was forming a Presidential exploratory committee, he logged 143 days of experience in the Senate. That's how many days the Senate was actually in session and working.

After 143 days of work experience, Obama believed he was ready to be Commander In Chief, Leader of the Free World, and fill the shoes of Abraham Lincoln, FDR, JFK and Ronald Reagan.

143 days -- I keep leftovers in my refrigerator longer than that.

In contrast, John McCain's 1,966 days in captivity as a POW in Hanoi now seem more impressive than ever.

there is no fucking counter-argument to the "mccain was in vietnam go america" ploy except "stupid fucking dipshit cunts"

i mean what else can i say

o humans

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who the fuck keeps leftovers for 4.5 months

http://twitpic.com/img/d9t0-73ed13e03e147fbd5523dd24687a6207.48dd183e.jpg

McCain's utter shamelessness is starting to become more apparent as his prime political strength

shameless as in taking four different positions in the same week? who wants the president to govern that way? I mean, I'm biased as hell but to me he's treated this whole situation as all politics, no policy.

dan, "fucking stupid dipshit cunts"

glad to have contributed complex and original thinking to this discussion

lol

http://i.current.com/images/asset/889/341/62/zaDTw682_400x300.jpg

jagger's here. NOW the thread can start!

i am wondering which blue pills mccain takes

Please ask yourself these basic questions when you're
at the polling booth;

Why am I voting for Barack Obama? Is it because of his skin color?
Can skin color determine leadership abilities?

Do you really believe Terrorists care about peace within our nation?

Can you honestly say Barack has had enough experience to be our President?

Which candidate can you trust enough to keep us sleeping at night
because he believes in freedom for all?

Which candidate has solid experience to lead this country through the
quagmire of our present economic situation and lead us towards a more
peaceful and prosperous nation?

Do you believe Barack Obama has the firm believe in the United States
government's goals and sound belief system based on the Constitution?
Or, as a Muslim, will not try to change our government to move away
from our basic freedoms as citizens? (Good questions to contemplate
since he spent the primary years of his life learning the Muslim way.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/26/ex-adviser-mccain-blinked_n_129611.html

the Muslim way

Gallup: Obama 48-45 (+3)

look i know y'all clever and open-minded etc but your country is so much more openly fucking retarded about politics than ours

not that it's a contest, 'cause i'm genuinely fucking dismayed by all the transparently craven, bigoted, selfish bullshit spouted by "respectable" right-wing commentators, i mean how are they not national laughing-stocks

"Which candidate can you trust enough to keep us sleeping at night because he believes in freedom for all?"

I guess McCain can score us all some Vicodin to help.

Rasmussen Virginia: Obama 50-45 (+7)

is that a high horse bottle opener? xxp

btw i know i'm basically doing an english deezsteez but i'm confused at how such blatant fallacy is trumpeted by national media outlets

have you seen your newspaper business lately

also, you guys are up to what, eight tv channels?

A Hostile Audience [Rich Lowry]

One side effect of McCain's debate gambit is, I'm told, that everyone at Ole Miss now hates him. It will make for a very hostile audience tonight among those students and faculty attending. He might have to apologize for creating the uncertainty or make some explanation up front, which is never ideal.

I almost wish McCain had bailed out tonight to see what it would have done to his poll numbers in MS. Not enough to lose the state, I'm sure, but there would have been a hiccup.

"fucking stupid dipshit cunts"

Grant = National war hero, also bad president. I honor McCain's beahvior as a POW. It doesn't necessarily follow that that makes him a better choice for President.

not that it's a contest, 'cause i'm genuinely fucking dismayed by all the transparently craven, bigoted, selfish bullshit spouted by "respectable" right-wing commentators, i mean how are they not national laughing-stocks

Dude the BNP actually manages to get people elected. xposts TOMBAWT otmbot

(not that ours don't, just that yours seem so proud of making up the most appalling bs and then sloganeering stuff they've created as universal gospel)

please stop digging

it's embarrassing

ours are at least sly about their lies, they have some illusion of impartiality to mask their agendas

stfu please louie

The Sun Wants You To Make Britain Great.

http://yankeerev.files.wordpress.com/2008/06/the-thinker4.jpg

We learned it from the NME, louis

Reaching back many minutes worth of posts:

Yeah, I am pretty sure a good 97% of the 2004 Bush voters will vote McCain. Now that Palin is on board, I expect she'll attract a lot of evangelicals who might have been 'too busy' to vote.

You've got to remember that Kerry had huge leads among college-educated voters and professionals. Bush rode back in on the backs of people who respond almost entirely to emotional appeals (as opposed to us 'elitists' who sometimes mix a small amount of reasoning ability in with our predominately emotional responses).

McCain/Palin is appealing to the same mix of fears, patriotism, anti-intellectualism, anti-government feeling, and religiosity that Bush used so effectively. Their campaign has solidified the base once more and the Republican coalition is mostly intact.

I repeat, Obama will win by assembling a bigger coalition, not by converting Bush voters.

Take it to another thread, Louis, svp.

Aimless, can you just admit that it will be a combination of things and not just THIS ONE THING?

I mean I agree with you re: building bigger coalition, but there were plenty of centrists who didn't like Kerry. (And yes, Kerry STILL almost won.)

Also, one thing Bush/Cheney/Rove did that McCain didn't is that the former didn't explicitly embrace an evangelical on the ticket itself, literally and figuratively.

Aimless, I think you might be a teensy bit wrong. I have seen some conspicuous Republicans turning to Obama and there may be a small percentage of principled Republicans (if any still exist) who neither trust McCain nor their party much right now.

voting for bush in 2004 is attributed as the #1 cause of white guilt in americans since katrina

btw i know i'm basically doing an english deezsteez but i'm confused at how such blatant fallacy is trumpeted by national media outlets

I knew as soon as I posted this without the qualifier "as it is in our country, but more directly/outrageously" I was in shit. Sorry to have bothered you.

I'm just at a low-point, and I think I might have tonsilitis. Reading some of the stuff Ethan and company just posted to this thread (along with that right-wing cartoon thread) was some kind of tipping-point. There are no character-slurring depths to which these bastards won't sink. We don't have an equivalent in the UK. The BNP occasionally get ward councillors in but they don't get seats in Parliament. In some parts of the US, people with even more despicable ideals than the BNP's are in absolute control of entire districts. The whole thing is alien to me, and I am merely trying to make sense of it. An idea of "glory" seems to lie at the heart of it, "self-identity", shame that the people involved are such inglorious political chameleons.

for the love of fuck and all that is moses, just shut the hell up

suggest ban

I think Andrew Sullivan conservatives are less numerous than we think, but one can hope.