"I’m just not very good at bullshitting," Obama told Axelrod
I am fairly certain that when Obama said that he truly believed it. This highlights the most U&K skill of the really good bullshitter.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 10 February 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link
Today's the day at SCOTUS. Live blog here:
http://live.scotusblog.com/Event/Live_blog_Obergefell_v_Hodges
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:19 (eight years ago) link
I'll start choosing proposals based on responses.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
I would give you the moon and the stars but that would be a lie.
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:20 (eight years ago) link
I would prefer a glass of wine and Manchego cheese.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link
I'll give you my leftover Luna bars and a swift annulment.
― Eric H., Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
My cousin just used the opportunity of today's arguments to come out as bisexual. Proud of her, especially in this family. She's going to get some friction. Not from her parents, who will both be supportive, but from others in my family, for whom the phrase "bigoted rednecks" would be far too generous.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link
When the petitioners (and Justice Sotomayor) pointed out that gays and lesbians had been treated quite poorly in some of those societies, Justice Alito pointed out that Plato had written approvingly of homosexual relations, even thought the Greeks limited marriage to heterosexual couples.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link
One seemingly striking moment came when Justice Ginsburg spoke of how it was recent changes to the institution of marriage that made it appropriate for gay and lesbian couples -- in particular, it becoming an egalitarian institution rather than one dominated by the male partners who determined where and how the couple would live
by Eric Citron 10:39 AM
After Eric left the lounge, there was one interesting exchange between Justice Scalia and two of his more liberal colleagues. Scalia asked whether, if petitioners win, a minister who objects to same sex marriages could refuse to perform a civil same-sex wedding. Bonauto answered yes. Scalia pressed the point though, arguing that he could not understand how, a state could permit somebody to hold a license to marry people if that person would not exercise the power consistently with the Constitution. After a little more back-and-forth, Justice Kagan reminded the Court that many rabbis refuse to perform weddings between Jews and gentiles, even though there has long been a prohibition against religious discrimination. Justice Breyer then chimed in and quoted the First Amendment. Ultimately, Justice Scalia seemed satisfied that a minister could refuse to perform those weddings.
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:45 (eight years ago) link
was about to post that
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:46 (eight years ago) link
"Justice Thomas said nothing."
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
Like, surely Scalia is keenly aware that there are all kinds of people Catholic churches will refuse to marry, right?
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:47 (eight years ago) link
to be fair, often justices ask questions to clarify the ground on which they want to erect their opinions (and to signal to their political bases too).
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:48 (eight years ago) link
yeah I mean, I'm pretty certain that the technology questions reflect honest bafflement/misunderstanding but this clearly seems like grist for either:
a) building a platform for a dissenting opinions; orb) building a defense for a surprise concurring opinion
― DJP, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link
especially so given the near fait accompli nature of the exercise
― Premise ridiculous. Who have two potato? (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:52 (eight years ago) link
SCOTUS shocks nation by issuing unanimous opinion written by Clarence Thomas
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 14:54 (eight years ago) link
I would lol so hard
― DJP, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:12 (eight years ago) link
Verrilli began his #SCOTUS argument with a protester's shouts that #SSM supporters can "burn in hell" still echoing in the marble hallway.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 15:54 (eight years ago) link
Would've been better if he'd sang Twisted Sister's "Burn In Hell."
― I might like you better if we Yelped together (Phil D.), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:26 (eight years ago) link
Would've been even better if it was actually Dee Snider.
There is some reason to wonder whether the Chief might be angling for a compromise in which the states win the first question (i.e., they do not have to permit same-sex marriages to be performed in their states) but lose the second (i.e., they would have to recognize same-sex marriages performed in other states). It's very hard to read the Chief, but he did ask questions in the second argument expressing some skepticism over the fact that states don't, in fact, deny recognition to any marriage that does not conform with state law, except same-sex marriages. And, as I mentioned, Justice Scalia asked questions suggesting he might think there was a reason based in the text of Article 4 that would justify ruling for the couples on recognition but not the right to marry. So one could imagine a potential compromise that would effectively allow same sex couples to get married in states that allow it, have their marriages recognized elsewhere, but not have the Court issue a decision that has broad implications for other kinds of sexual orientation discrimination.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 16:48 (eight years ago) link
Chief Justice Roberts: "Let's keep same sex marriage safe, legal and rare!"
― Giant Purple Wakerobin (Aimless), Tuesday, 28 April 2015 17:00 (eight years ago) link
i'm unclear, does that mean i get to marry lindsay lohan
― Doctor Casino, Tuesday, 28 April 2015 17:03 (eight years ago) link
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/us/supreme-court-same-sex-marriage.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
super reassuring to hear the justices asking all the same idiotic questions you get in freshman philosophy courses
then again i have heard the same ones from idiotic philosophers
― j., Tuesday, 28 April 2015 19:51 (eight years ago) link
its looking like a big yes in Ireland, so uh come to Ireland to get gay married if u like I guess
― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 May 2015 10:25 (eight years ago) link
(Actual welcome will be less equivocal)
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 23 May 2015 10:40 (eight years ago) link
yeah we've only started on the tourism literature an hour ago it needs work granted
― thoughts you made second posts about (darraghmac), Saturday, 23 May 2015 10:58 (eight years ago) link
@AlbertBrooks Congratulations to Ireland. Or as I like to call it Fire Ireland.
― the increasing costive borborygmi (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 19:05 (eight years ago) link
lol
― difficult-difficult lemon-difficult (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 26 May 2015 20:59 (eight years ago) link
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/06/11/us-usa-gaymarriage-north-carolina-idUSKBN0OR1YX20150611
legislature overruled the governor to allow opt-outs for officials
― j., Thursday, 11 June 2015 16:28 (eight years ago) link
Annnd that's it.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 June 2015 14:03 (eight years ago) link
https://twitter.com/SCOTUSblog/status/614433371310194688
The opinion, written by Kennedy. http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/14pdf/14-556_3204.pdf
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 26 June 2015 14:07 (eight years ago) link
the IRONY of this coming a day after jennicet gutierrez getting shouted down
i guess that's that though, homophobia solved
― lex pretend, Friday, 26 June 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link
Good timing. That's impressive showmanship.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Friday, 26 June 2015 14:22 (eight years ago) link
xp people who attack their allies deserve to get shouted down
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Friday, 26 June 2015 14:23 (eight years ago) link
"allies"
i don't have time to argue but jennicet was prob the only person in that room who shouldn't have shut the fuck up
― lex pretend, Friday, 26 June 2015 14:30 (eight years ago) link
This is good news for a rough day
― like a giraffe of nah (forksclovetofu), Friday, 26 June 2015 15:59 (eight years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/stanley-fish/scalia-gets-it-pretty-muc_b_7880118.html
i could dig this up myself but how and when did stanley fish become a law professor?
― goole, Monday, 3 August 2015 22:51 (eight years ago) link
i mean i know he's been writing about this stuff for a long time; i guess only really know him as a literary theorist.
― goole, Monday, 3 August 2015 22:54 (eight years ago) link
and he teaches at my university
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 3 August 2015 23:09 (eight years ago) link
he's been housed w/ law ppl forever
news on the clerk who won't do her job:
http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/08/31/436431204/kentucky-clerk-s-request-for-a-stay-is-denied-by-u-s-supreme-court?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150831
― j., Tuesday, 1 September 2015 01:36 (eight years ago) link
that clerk is in contempt of court and seems hellbent on martyrdom. I guess we'll soon know how ardently she desires to go to jail.
― Aimless, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 02:23 (eight years ago) link
I think she'll resign now — she'll be a more effective martyr outside the pokey.
― Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 02:25 (eight years ago) link
she'll also earn more from the organizations that will sponsor her speaking tour
― Aimless, Tuesday, 1 September 2015 03:32 (eight years ago) link
Good thing. She's about to get fired this morning.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 12:36 (eight years ago) link
Despite a Supreme Court ruling that compelled a Rowan County clerk in Kentucky to give out marriage licenses to gay couples, Kim Davis refused to comply once again on Tuesday morning by denying marriage licenses to everyone.
Ryland Barton, a reporter for Kentucky Public Radio, reports that Davis said she made the decision "under God's authority."
― Gett Off, Eileen (WilliamC), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:05 (eight years ago) link
Randy Smith, leading the group supporting Davis, said he knows following their instruction to "stand firm" might mean Davis goes to jail. "But at the end of the day, we have to stand before God, which has higher authority than the Supreme Court," he said.
― Norse Jung (Eric H.), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:36 (eight years ago) link
otm
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 1 September 2015 13:57 (eight years ago) link