Is this anti-semitism?

it took me a few mins to remember that "puss" is slang for face.

RN: But, I, I, I believe having said all I have, I have a tremendous [unintelligible], I see these kids, and we've all, we've all, uh, grown up, and, there was smoking, there was alcohol, there's a lot of other things people do, er, in the old days, etc. etc. I mean, there's a, the uh, maybe, uh, uh, going to see Greta Garbo in the day, etc. etc. Don't call me yellow, is that --

Unknown: I Was, I Am Curious Yellow.

RN: But anyway.

, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish

I vaguely remember my Dad saying something similar about the Nixon team when Watergate blew up except it was, "... Haldeman, Ehrlichman, those bastards are all Germans."

I wrote an embarassingly stupid post, during an irrational and tbqf imbalanced mood, for which I am deeply ashamed. My sincerest apologies, especially to Mordy. Time for a break, I'll see myself out. Take care all.

this is p funny, and could have been suspected:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-surprisingly-mainstream-history-of-the-internets-favorit#.vd433Q55BO

the web's most prevalent bit of anti-semitic caricature is not of pre-war origin but comes out of the 90s white pigfuck/answer me! scene

god, fuck those guys

reminds me i saw this pasty shaved-head dude at the state fair with a death in june tshirt and sunglasses on buying ice cream with an unhappy looking girlfriend. was seriously tempted to drop the fugazi "i saw you buying ice cream motherfucker!" bit on him

I literally only know that image because canks posted it

the 90s white pigfuck/answer me! scene

can someone explain this?

Answer Me! was a terrible 'zine in the 90s involving screeds from a couple (Jim and Debbie Goad) who thought they were "anti-PC" provocateurs. awful people.

amateurist come on, it's glossed IN THE ARTICLE, and you're also on the internet right now

urban dictionary says sonic youth were the most "well known purveyors of this type of rock music"

like i follow every link or have time to google everything, jeeves.

xpost

wrt to pigfuck

do we have a pigfuck thread?

Xgau labeling Sonic Youth pigfuck is not really what that writer is referring to though - he's referring to stuff that came after, ie the 90s

that may not be exact right 90s subcultural ref fwiw

xp i know it has been discussed. i learned about it mostly from mark s's "noise piece" back in the day!

not wholly unfair conflation of noise rock fandom w/ an infamously shitty "angry white man" zine of the early 90s. there's a brief noize board thread about it's asshole publisher, jim goad, but it's not terribly informative.

Currently, Goad writes a weekly column for Taki's Magazine and is a writer/producer for Thought Catalog. Goad has also contributed to Vice,[9] New York Press,[18] the San Francisco Bay Guardian[18] and Hustler.[11] In 2013 Jim wrote a foreword to a compilation of issues of the 1990s zine Gun Fag Manifesto. He thanked the editor, Hollister Kopp, in his book The Redneck Manifesto.

oh man, his name is really "goad," isn't it?

lol

and thanks for the clarification

"Answer Me!" was just a lot of "I am going to offend you with my aggro transgressiveness!" nonsense. You might find some of their takedowns funny for about 5 minutes before realizing that they were just being bullying assholes - definitely a precursor to internet trolldom

urban dictionary says sonic youth were the most "well known purveyors of this type of rock music"

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)

"pigfuck" is a garbage term no one should use

is steve albini involved in any of this? because i am getting albini vibes.

big black often get lumped in with the pigfuckers, though i dunno that christgau specifically namechecked them when he was throwing the term around. nor do i know whether albini ever contributed anything to answer me! or otherwise commented on the goads. will say that his enthusiasm certainly seemed to fit the basic template: would-be-transgressive spite + (noise+punk+rock) + anticorporate politics + fascination with "lower class" squalor.

haha. steve ruined gybe's production quality imo

xp is a fascination with "lower class" squalor a bad thing?

no, not necessarily. all the angryface redneck-chic filth & depravity wallowing came to seem a bit silly somewhere around the mid 90s tho.

Well, urban dictionary is wrong, but there was a time in the early nineties when some people would consume anything "alternative" or extreme - uncritically. I think some youngsters were later embarrassed by this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/sunday-review/surviving-the-nazis-only-to-be-jailed-by-america.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=MostEmailed&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

Other evidence emerged revealing not only Patton’s disdain for the Jews in the camps, but an odd admiration for the Nazi prisoners of war under his watch.

Under Patton, Nazis prisoners were not only bunked at times with Jewish survivors, but were even allowed to hold positions of authority, despite orders from Eisenhower to “de-Nazify” the camps.

curmudgeon, are u familiar w/ this somewhat related controversy? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_bombing_debate

Sorta familiar with that.

heidegger's take on the shoah:
http://www.corriere.it/english/15_febbraio_09/heidegger-jews-self-destructed-47cd3930-b03b-11e4-8615-d0fd07eabd28.shtml

http://www.businessinsider.com/anti-defamation-league-calls-on-urban-outfitters-to-stop-selling-holocaust-garb-2015-2

http://tabletmag.com/scroll/188961/israel-boycott-activists-call-for-jews-to-be-expelled-from-south-african-university

can't believe anyone thinks BDS might be antisemitic

disturbing

Man, Heidegger was messed up.

the irony of an SA divestment movement is too much for me

possibly some relevant context for the attack tnite:
http://tabletmag.com/jewish-news-and-politics/128077/hiding-judaism-in-copenhagen

Bibi says Jews in the Diaspora aren't really "home," chief rabbi of Copenhagen fires back.
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/chief-rabbi-in-denmark-disappointed-with-netanyahu-comments-1.2104738

i wonder what the chief rabbi of copenhagen says at the end of his pesach seder

Probably the same thing I say, but I don't mean it literally, even as I bang on the table singing it, any more than I want Hashem to pour out his wrath on the nations that know him not.

pouring out the wrath is my fave part tbh lol

for me it's a close second to the stuff with the plagues and the fingers

Reading from the parsha to my kids is pretty interesting, actually, you forget (well, YOU probably don't, but a modern liberal American jew does) how much there is in Shemot about destroying all enemy tribes and how they will flee in weakness and terror before the advance of the Jews, and this is a bit hard to explain to children, if they are being raised in the liberal American Jewish tradition.

what do you use to read the parsha to yr kids? are you just using a translation (JPS or something?) or one of those collections specifically made for children like the little midrash?

JPS translation, supplemented by a kids summary, don't remember the name of that one

I'm all about the diaspora, up the diaspora.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AltyhmrIFgo

no idea about the legitimacy of this, though I've walked through ritzy parts of Paris with an American friend who was wearing full Hasidic dress, and experienced him getting hassled for it.

haha above video def not the ritzy parts of paris

yeah thats what I'm saying

Fucking hell how I hate Netanyahu. I've disliked him vehemently but abstractly for a while, the same way I dislike a bunch of politicians I disagree with, but his bullshit in this case is so fucking disgusting. To go back to the link mordy just posted, the problem in Denmark is to a large extent with people incapable of — or uninterested in — differentiating among the Israeli government, European Zionists, and Danish Jews. Those who confronted Krasnik, he believes, saw him as “symbol of Israel, and to be Israeli and Jewish is just the same.” [..] To differentiate between an ordinary Muslim and a knuckle-dragging Islamist is a distinction frequently underscored in Europe, but such nuance is rarely afforded to Jews. That job isn't really made easier when the prime minister of Israel goes out and says that Danish Jews don't belong, that their true home is Israel. A friend of mine tweeted this response from Lawrence Freedman, which I think is great: Would be grateful if Netanyahu could stop encouraging Islamists to believe that their violence can force Jews to leave Europe.

I have Danish Jewish friends, people who have lived here for generations, and they are obviously hurting. And it doesn't help, in the slightest, to be told that they don't really belong here. And quite honestly, it doesn't really improve their security in the face of fanatic anti-Israel muslim youth, more than willing to blame Danish Jews for Israel's policies. Fuck that guy.

tbf to bibi, for the most part europe is not the home for jews

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B97JV3UCUAAUtcT.jpg

like this is just talking about reality ^

on the other hand, the danish ppl were exceptionally protective of their jews during ww2 so i could see that as an exception to the general rule. personally speaking tho, and i've said this before on ilx, i would never live in europe, and i don't understand the [much diminished] jewish communities esp in places like hungary, poland, etc.