Is this anti-semitism?

"And if you're atheist, and live in Israel, you have a lot of explaining to do." except for all the atheist jews in israel you know what nevermind i can't even and i hate that idiom so if i'm using it you know things are bad

Being and living in Israel is such a mind fuck of an experience. I know. I've been there. Either you are a devout Jew, identify yourself as one and live happily ever after; or by some unlucky 'mistake' you aren't. You could be a muslim. Or a Buddhist. Or worse: an atheist.

As someone married to an atheist Israeli whose ancestors include atheists that were instrumental in the founding of the state, and most of whose Israeli family remain atheist to this day, I would question this statement. It's undeniable that the country is more "yours" if you are of Jewish heritage/ethnicity/descent, and it is also true that the Rabbinate has too much power over civil affairs, but it is absolutely not the case that you have to be a "devout Jew" to live freely there.

Or worse: an atheist. In case of the latter, in Israel, you are pretty much fucked. Seen as disloyal, unpatriotic, bordering on a denier of hunt on Jews. You are basically a traitor. Because the country only really wants inhabitants that are of Judeo-Christian faith.

Seriously, I'm shaken by this, because I'm wondering, do a lot of people with strong opinions about Israel, on one side or another, really have this little of a clue about how Israel works and what kind of place Israel is?

yes that is the most shocking bit to me, that lbi is clearly very passionate about I/P and yet seems to not know basic facts about its political + social composition

BTW, one of said family members is married to a British atheist man of no Jewish descent whatsoever, and he seems to live quite happily there as well. Not saying it's a totally pluralistic society, but AB's description is laughably ignorant.

hey folks, i've heard that you can killfile people on this board--i.e. not see their posts. is this true? (this is in re. amory blaine, naturally)

I wonder what it's like to be an atheist in Saudi Arabia though. Must be a "mind fuck of an experience" lol.

i've never gotten it to work w/ my primary browser (safari) or the zing app but i think it can be done w/ more conventional ways of interfacing w/ ilx xp

how? man, i'd love to killfile some motherfuckers.

i think this thread describes how: KILLFILE 2.0

antisemitism report from the workplace. a guy complained to my boss today about a "greedy Jew" (obv had no idea that the office is entirely jewish) and when he got called on it he said, "oh i don't mean all jews only those new york jews"

I'd say yes, that is anti-Semitic

I just want to say that the two Danish writers quoted in that article on Sweden are racist scum, who has said stuff like that muslim fathers rape and kill their daughters, or that muslims shouldn't be allowed to have freedom of speech. They are scum, and any article that quotes them so prominently is rubbish.

the article brings a certain amount of content to a non-scandinavian reader, for whom it is useful to have more information about what a hypocritical sewer sweden is in many ways, there has been fairly limited coverage in english of the dismal tolerance of antisemitism there

Well, if you believe it, but why would you? It's ultra right wing propaganda meant to make people hate muslims.

those of a sensitive disposition were given two trigger warnings

those capable of approaching a text in a less histrionic fashion might not be looking for an author to be their friend, and might be able to parse the author's evident prejudices from the not uninteresting history delivered within

Sure, the history up to 1951 is interesting. But everything about recent times is rubbish. Sweden can be a violent society. Mosques have also been set on fire recently, quite a few of them. Sweden has a problem with violent outliers, period. The Sweden Democrats, now the third biggest party -and kinda the good guys in that article- is originally an offspring of ultra-right-wing/neo-nazi groups.

I'm sorry, but using Lars Hedegaard and Morten Uhrskov to prop up an argument is the equivalent of using Glenn Beck or Ted Cruz or something. Probably even worse. If you read anything about somewhere in the US, and the first paragraphs said that problems there had been revealed by Cruz or Beck, you would stop believing the rest.

some people might even be capable of reading articles citing people they don't like, it's almost as if the object of reading a text weren't to solemnly approve of everything in it

the violence of criminal lumpens at anti-israel protests and nordic nationalists burning mosques are predictable, and not as interesting as the systemic violence of establishment antisemitism

sweden's failure to acculturate its immigrant populations, and the contempt most of its native born citizens have for those immigrants is quite clear

it is interesting the swedish civic class' phobic attitudes to any cultural separatism or affection for israel on behalf of its jewish citizens is one of the few ways it assuages the discontent of its balkan and middle eastern immigrants, certainly it is easier to achieve than addressing their aspirations to equal treatment, employment or dignity

May 26, 1971, Time: 10:03 am - 11:35 am -- Oval Office Conversation: 505-4 -- Meeting with Nixon and HR 'Bob' Haldeman

Richard Milhous Nixon: "Now, this is one thing I want. I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana. Can I get that out of this sonofabitching, uh, Domestic Council?"

HR Haldeman: "Sure."

RN: "I mean one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of them. I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. You know it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists, you know, there's so many, all the greatest psychiatrists are Jewish. By God we are going to hit the marijuana thing, and I want to hit it right square in the puss, I want to find a way of putting more on that. More [unintelligible] work with somebody else with this."

HRH: "Mm hmm, yep."

RN: "I want to hit it, against legalizing and all that sort of thing."

[http://www.csdp.org/research/nixonpot.txt]

The number of antisemitic incidents in the UK has reached the highest level ever recorded, with reports of violence, property damage, abuse and threats against members of Britain’s Jewish population more than doubling last year .

The Community Security Trust, a Jewish security charity which runs an incident hotline, recorded 1,168 antisemitic incidents against Britain’s 291,000 Jews in 2014, against 535 in 2013 and 25% up on the previous record in 2009.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/antisemitic-attacks-uk-community-security-trust-britain-jewish-population

Nixon tapes, i never get tired of them.

there were so many threads i thought about posting that to when i saw it

i decided to share it w/ the readers of is this anti-semitism? thread

it took me a few mins to remember that "puss" is slang for face.

RN: But, I, I, I believe having said all I have, I have a tremendous [unintelligible], I see these kids, and we've all, we've all, uh, grown up, and, there was smoking, there was alcohol, there's a lot of other things people do, er, in the old days, etc. etc. I mean, there's a, the uh, maybe, uh, uh, going to see Greta Garbo in the day, etc. etc. Don't call me yellow, is that --

Unknown: I Was, I Am Curious Yellow.

RN: But anyway.

, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish

I vaguely remember my Dad saying something similar about the Nixon team when Watergate blew up except it was, "... Haldeman, Ehrlichman, those bastards are all Germans."

I wrote an embarassingly stupid post, during an irrational and tbqf imbalanced mood, for which I am deeply ashamed. My sincerest apologies, especially to Mordy. Time for a break, I'll see myself out. Take care all.

this is p funny, and could have been suspected:

http://www.buzzfeed.com/josephbernstein/the-surprisingly-mainstream-history-of-the-internets-favorit#.vd433Q55BO

the web's most prevalent bit of anti-semitic caricature is not of pre-war origin but comes out of the 90s white pigfuck/answer me! scene

god, fuck those guys

reminds me i saw this pasty shaved-head dude at the state fair with a death in june tshirt and sunglasses on buying ice cream with an unhappy looking girlfriend. was seriously tempted to drop the fugazi "i saw you buying ice cream motherfucker!" bit on him

I literally only know that image because canks posted it

the 90s white pigfuck/answer me! scene

can someone explain this?

Answer Me! was a terrible 'zine in the 90s involving screeds from a couple (Jim and Debbie Goad) who thought they were "anti-PC" provocateurs. awful people.

amateurist come on, it's glossed IN THE ARTICLE, and you're also on the internet right now

urban dictionary says sonic youth were the most "well known purveyors of this type of rock music"

like i follow every link or have time to google everything, jeeves.

xpost

wrt to pigfuck

do we have a pigfuck thread?

Xgau labeling Sonic Youth pigfuck is not really what that writer is referring to though - he's referring to stuff that came after, ie the 90s

that may not be exact right 90s subcultural ref fwiw

xp i know it has been discussed. i learned about it mostly from mark s's "noise piece" back in the day!

not wholly unfair conflation of noise rock fandom w/ an infamously shitty "angry white man" zine of the early 90s. there's a brief noize board thread about it's asshole publisher, jim goad, but it's not terribly informative.

Currently, Goad writes a weekly column for Taki's Magazine and is a writer/producer for Thought Catalog. Goad has also contributed to Vice,[9] New York Press,[18] the San Francisco Bay Guardian[18] and Hustler.[11] In 2013 Jim wrote a foreword to a compilation of issues of the 1990s zine Gun Fag Manifesto. He thanked the editor, Hollister Kopp, in his book The Redneck Manifesto.

oh man, his name is really "goad," isn't it?

lol

and thanks for the clarification

"Answer Me!" was just a lot of "I am going to offend you with my aggro transgressiveness!" nonsense. You might find some of their takedowns funny for about 5 minutes before realizing that they were just being bullying assholes - definitely a precursor to internet trolldom

urban dictionary says sonic youth were the most "well known purveyors of this type of rock music"

― F♯ A♯ (∞), Thursday, February 5, 2015 3:39 PM (4 minutes ago)

"pigfuck" is a garbage term no one should use

is steve albini involved in any of this? because i am getting albini vibes.

big black often get lumped in with the pigfuckers, though i dunno that christgau specifically namechecked them when he was throwing the term around. nor do i know whether albini ever contributed anything to answer me! or otherwise commented on the goads. will say that his enthusiasm certainly seemed to fit the basic template: would-be-transgressive spite + (noise+punk+rock) + anticorporate politics + fascination with "lower class" squalor.

haha. steve ruined gybe's production quality imo

xp is a fascination with "lower class" squalor a bad thing?

no, not necessarily. all the angryface redneck-chic filth & depravity wallowing came to seem a bit silly somewhere around the mid 90s tho.

Well, urban dictionary is wrong, but there was a time in the early nineties when some people would consume anything "alternative" or extreme - uncritically. I think some youngsters were later embarrassed by this.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/08/sunday-review/surviving-the-nazis-only-to-be-jailed-by-america.html?action=click&contentCollection=U.S.&module=MostEmailed&version=Full®ion=Marginalia&src=me&pgtype=article

Other evidence emerged revealing not only Patton’s disdain for the Jews in the camps, but an odd admiration for the Nazi prisoners of war under his watch.

Under Patton, Nazis prisoners were not only bunked at times with Jewish survivors, but were even allowed to hold positions of authority, despite orders from Eisenhower to “de-Nazify” the camps.