ILM Ballot Polls for 2014 and beyond -- order, timing, "I would have voted if I'd known about it," etc

I'm gonna have to back out of the Coltrane poll; I'm not familiar enough with too much of his work (pre-Classic Quartet), and I'm pretty sure turnout will be in the low single digits.

I'll queue up for the next spot I guess, though I kind of wonder if we should have like a month to vote given the nature of the poll.

duly noted

Looking forward to epics but agree -- also maybe a nomination period??

I have no idea what an "epic" even is (just like I had no idea what "classic rock" is) so I'll let you guys figure it out

It's it.

(What is it?)

I thought it was a song > 10 min long? I'm not sure if 10 was the magic # but length was a defining characteristic.

it's in your face but you can't grab it

i don't want to go next or really - like i'm not feeling particularly up to running any polls atm so maybe just indefinitely postpone my slot

Οὖτις, thanks for taking the lead on managing the queue, it's much appreciated.

Just wanted to mention a couple of things. I'm out on the Bacharach and solo Beatles polls; C. Grisso/McCain volunteered for that one, and the other one is either up for grabs or up for deletion. And crüt got steamed, and rightly so, when another poll jumped ahead of CCR late last year, so maybe check in with him before bumping Epics up ahead of Creedence.

And with that, I officially hand you the batteries to the Pollmaster's Taser.

I thought it was a song > 10 min long? I'm not sure if 10 was the magic # but length was a defining characteristic.

Yes, I'm still debating with myself what that number is though. First instinct is 20, but then that'd leave out my favorite 18-minute songs.

Gonna vote this one up pretty high.

http://i.imgur.com/OY0RFKa.jpg

Οὖτις: You lost Yo La Tengo up near the top of the list. It was pending, but I needed to delay until school lets out; I think we left it where mookieproof and van horn street were going to run the poll, and I was going to do images.

Yo La Tengo/Dump (and other side projects), preferably.

leee will determine it based on his fave bardo pond songs

Not far from the truth.

yes, thanks Shakey for taking this back over, i really didn't want to do it again. it hard to do without mod access.

that being said and since i have done this before, you missed a few (really think you should keep the number order:

56. Spaceman 3 (& descendants) - Elvis Telecom
58. Yo La Tengo/Dump - clemenza
60. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK

so Boo Radleys are next?

or is P-Funk next?

― Οὖτις, Friday, October 24, 2014 1:25 PM (3 months ago)

i can't do The Boo Radleys right now because of work. so i think that will be coming around February of 2015 after we do all the end of the year stuff.

― Bee OK, Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:17 PM

btw, The Boo Radleys poll is still on track for February of 2015, going to be fun. won't be the first one, maybe the second or third one that will happen after the EOY polls wrap up.

― Bee OK, Tuesday, January 20, 2015 10:35 PM (2 weeks ago)

oh, there is also this: 61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson got bumped to 126 because he was not on ILX for a few months but now:

Looks like flopson had himself banned in February. We can put Iggy/Stooges on hold on the assumption he'll be back someday, or someone else can take that one. Or if anyone knows him IRL, tell him all is forgiven please come home.

― Malibu Stasi (WilliamC), Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:09 PM (4 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

i think earliest i could do this would be like, may/june

― flopson, Saturday, January 17, 2015 2:16 PM

61. P-Funk - Οὖτις
61. Stooges/Iggy Pop - flopson

did the discussion regarding a 2000-2014 tracks/albums poll this summer ever move from the EOY 77 tracks thread to this one?

20 minutes is too long for epics - I propose 8:30 minutes so that I can vote for 'November Rain'.

How about 8+?

so we're not going in the order already established?

I guess this is kind of a hectic time for me, so if leee wants to go before me I'm down.

I thought it was a song > 10 min long? I'm not sure if 10 was the magic # but length was a defining characteristic

If "epics" poll is really about any 10/20/xx minute track in any genre, I'm stoked for that! It needs a pretty strict nomination process though, I can think of a a couple of hundred ambient tracks alone that would qualify.

I'd say the minimum running time must be at least 10 minutes, though. If you set it at 8 or something, there are way too many "normal", not-particularly-lengthy-for-its-genre tracks valid in genres like metal, techno, jazz, prog rock, etc.

Maybe there rules would make it work?

1) A track must be at least 10 (or 15/20, whatever you decide) minutes long to be valid.

2) A track that's shorter than 10/15/20 minutes can be valid if it's at least twice as long as the second-longest track on the same album.

This way you could include tracks that are not super-long "objectively", but still epic within their own context/genre.

what if it only was released as a single? (Beat Bop for instance)

2) A track that's shorter than 10/15/20 minutes can be valid if it's at least twice as long as the second-longest track average track length on the same album.

Not 'Estranged', though...

"Beat Bop" isn't super-long within the context of old school rap, the full-length "Rapper's Delight" is 15 minutes, and many other old school singles are around 10 minutes too.

I doubt Leee or anyone is gonna start calculating average track lengths within a whole genre, so non-album singles would still be problematic... But I don't see how this poll could be run in a non-problematic way, since the definition of "epic" length varies so much between genres.

ok I don't have mod priveleges fyi (don't want them either) but I will try my best to keep up with all the comments on this thread. I've made some executive decisions about the order so tuff titties if you don't like it (keepin Iggy at the bottom since flopson's target date is still months out). To-date here's where we're at:

62. Italo - daavid
63. Spacemen 3 and related acts - Elvis Telecom
64. “Epics” (non-classical division) - Leee
65. Yo La Tengo/Dump - Clemenza
66. The Boo Radleys - Bee OK
67. Emo/Screamo/Mallcore/(post)Hardcore - Mordy
68. Creedence Clearwater Revival - crüt
69. Hard Rock/Hair Metal - how’s life
70. Extreme Metal - Viceroy
71. Stephin Merritt - Gukbe
72. Metallica - Pleasant Plains
73. Spoon - Bee OK
74. Nirvana - Gavin, Leeds
75. Fairport Convention et al (R Thompson, S Denny) - Billy Dods
76. Queen - charlie h
77. Can - Z S
78. Tom Petty - rogermexico
79. Ramones - tipsy mothra (finished)
80. Jimi Hendrix - some dude
81. Stereolab - Moka
82. Bauhaus/Tones on Tail-Love and Rockets/Peter Murphy - Bee OK
83. Genesis + solo - NickB
84. The Smiths - nate woolls
85. Pearl Jam - VegemiteGrrl
86. The Burt Bacharach songbook - C. Grisso/McCain
87. Dead C - Raymond Cummings
88. Royal Trux + side projects - sleeve
89. John Fahey - Naive Teen Idol?
90. Rush - Matt #2
91. Oasis - pollrunner needed for this one
92. George Michael - Ismael Klata
93. Talking Heads - Bee OK
94. Gamble & Huff/Philly International Records - jetfan
95. Van Halen - Johnny Fever
96. Billy Joel - Doctor Casino
97. Low - aldo
98. Nine Inch Nails - chap
99. REM - rogermexico.
100. Bjork - Eric H.
101. Wu-Tang Clan - Spottie
102. Shoegaze/Dream Pop/Post-rock (Albums and EPs) - Bee OK
103. Covers - kornrulez6969
104. New Pornographers/AC Newman - staggerlee
105. They Might Be Giants - Johnny Fever
106. No Wave - sarahell
107. DFA - Van Horn Street
108. Misfits/Samhain/Danzig - gr8080
109. Beatles solo careers - Οὖτις
110. Erykah Badu - Eric H.
111. Nick Cave/Bad Seeds/Birthday Party/et al - charlie h
112. Herbie Hancock - crüt
113. Aphex Twin - Stevie D
114. Blondie - Bee OK
115. Electroclash - soref
116. Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis - Spottie
117. Siouxsie & the Banshees/The Creatures - LeRooLeRoo
118. AM Radio Gold - Jeff W
119. Eurovision - nxd
120. Steve Albini - nate woolls
121. Yellow Magic Orchestra - frogbs
122. Elvis Presley - Euler
123. Byrds + offshoots - kornrulez6969
124. Cardiacs + affiliated - imago
125. Tropicalia/MPB - Frederik B
126. Chic Organization -
127. Stooges/Iggy Pop -

I was thinking about this yesterday. Would a 2010-14 poll really be all that fun? At this point, I think it'd be more fun to poll the years spanning the life of ilx up to now. 2001-2014, because we could rewrite A LOT of history that way (which might be a bad thing, but it also might not be).

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:31 PM (1 week ago)

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plan would be to do it like sometime this summer right?

― call all destroyer, Friday, January 23, 2015 1:42 PM (1 week ago)

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When did ILM officially begin? Was it 2000 or 2001? (I didn't get here until 2002, and didn't start participating with any regularity until 2003.)

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:28 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

2000.

― example (crüt), Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Ahh, so the poll would cover 2000-2014 then.

― Johnny Fever, Friday, January 23, 2015 2:31 PM (1 week ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^^so i the poll-crew on board with this?

seems like something that could run concurrently with an artist poll? idk

idgi is the idea just a tracks poll for the last 15 years?

All polls should get in the queue apart from eoy polls otherwise we would get a 2000-2014 metal poll and scik mouthy would be able to restart the all time poll.
Its not fair on anyone who signed up.
This thread isnt just for artist polls anymore.

ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

sure, but 2004-2008 hasn't been done amirite

ILM Top 100 2000-2004: ALBUMS
ILM Top 100 2000-2004: TRACKS

ILM Top 100 2005-2009: ALBUMS
ILM Top 100 2005-2009: TRACKS

the idea would be a retrospective of the first 15 years ILM has existed, see what holds up, what doesn't, whats been forgotten, whats been discovered

Back of the line sez i

i disagree

Only if we aren't able to vote for things that placed in the earlier polls.

also every still living poster whos ever posted needs to be contacted and cast a ballot imo

Only if they didn't vote previously.

Unfair on those who signed up. The all time poll was forced to stop and join quite rightly. Get in the queue System ilx agreed on.

might as well do 2000-2020 by then

eaxactly

but all time poll is a dumbass idea

i'm with gr80, i feel like were kind of scraping the bottom of the barrel with the artist polls atp. we've done 65 in what, 3 years? and there are another 65 to go on the list. so then we'd have to wait 3 years to do a 2000-2014 poll? that's dumb. summer is a pretty slow time on ilx in general so it would mostly be 4 the hardcore nerds, could easily run concurrently with artist polls

The poll's going to happen in the late summer regardless of what other polls are taking place.