Is this anti-semitism?

Message on that Nice stabbing is pretty clear: don't protect Jews.

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Afiches-antisemitas-Villa_Crespo_0_1297070300.html

kirchner has always been a horrid piece of shit

so kirchner et al are basically arguing that the prosecutor was being fed stuff against them by rogue elements of the security services? weirdly, i can kind of imagine that happening.

what a mess.

"Underscoring the tension surrounding the death of Mr. Nisman, who was buried at a Jewish cemetery last week, anti-Semitic posters began appearing in central Buenos Aires this week. They read: 'The good Jew is the dead Jew. The good Jew is Nisman.'"

fuck these ppl

In a bitterly ironic reading, the poster is correct. He was a good Jew, and now he's dead.

Richard Cohen discovers that anti-semitism has something to do w/ Israel - tbh the guy is a tool but i had never seen these statistics before and found them really interesting:

In the United States, high levels of anti-Semitism in the Hispanic population dissipate with assimilation. The Anti-Defamation League tells us that, while 12 percent of all Americans are anti-Semites, the figure for foreign-born Hispanics is an astounding 36 percent. But for Hispanics born in the United States, the figure is only 14 percent. America is adept at assimilation. Europe is lousy at it. Europe needs work.

I wonder if that correlates to how old-school Catholic you are. I've heard similar figures for number of babies Latinos have in the US (high for immigrants, same as non-Latino for American born).

Israel’s occupation of the West Bank has always troubled me, but it is governed benevolently compared with the way China oppresses Tibet — and where are those demonstrations?

I always wonder whether people who write this actually don't know that lefties go to lots of demonstrations about how China oppresses Tibet. How many college students have you seen with "Free Tibet" shirts and how many have you seen with "Free Palestine" shirts? Young lefties freaking LOVE Tibet.

That said, Mordy, that article is perfectly fine but I think it says exactly the opposite of "Richard Cohen discovers that anti-semitism has something to do w/ Israel" -- I think Cohen comes down to saying that anti-Semitism found fertile ground in Christian and Muslim world before there was an Israel, still does now, and still would even if there were no Israel.

i was mainly referring to this: "The title of my recently published book is “Israel: Is It Good for the Jews?” When I started writing it, I did not know how I was going to answer that question. The more I delved into the subject, the more I read and did research, the more I concluded that the answer is yes. The recent events in Paris make me even surer." and then in conclusion, "That now seems underway and, sadly, makes my book title almost irrelevant. The question is not whether Israel is good for the Jews but whether it is necessary. That answer, increasingly, is yes."

like idk the naiveté that led to him not understanding the relationship between historical world antisemitism and the need for Israel to exist, that could only be pierced by his paying attention to a relatively minor example of antisemitism. maybe i'm being unfair and he's being disingenuous but it sounds like he's saying "i wasn't sure if israel was good but now after last couple weeks in france i think it's necessary," this is pretty much the thinking of a stupid person idk.

this article's comments section is a great example of the jewish version of lewis' law

it's kinda shocking/horrific tbh the stuff they allow ppl to post in their comments section at wapost.

"Stupid person": Mordy otm. Nearly every sentence of that article is a naive shambles. The whole thing reads like a 'my first antisemitism' piece. We need stronger, brighter advocates to tell the world that 1) anti-semitism is very real, and very much on the rise (in Europe at least it undeniably is), and 2) Israel is not, or should not, be just for Jews. The question whether a nation is "necessary" for people of a certain religion is dumb to begin with. No country should ever be solely necessary to harbour people of a certain faith.

lol i doubt mordy will find that post as otm as you did his

Your assessment strikes me as not entirely unlikely :) And yet.

tbph you'd probably find me more compassionate to the idea that israel was intended for a particular faith than many other jews who feel far iffier about characterizing jewishness entirely in the context of judaism (and not genealogical, cultural, ethnic, etc).

“Malmӧ sickness,” named after Sweden’s third largest city, has become a term to represent determined efforts to make Jews feel uncomfortable and invisible and afraid to identify in any public way with their faith or in support of Israel. It is instructive to look at the historical record to adequately appreciate how the country has exploited the Jewish community when needed. They were originally encouraged to stimulate the Swedish economy, and were invited to settle. All they needed was a capital of 2 000 riksdalers to obtain a letter of protection (skyddsbrev), a practice copied from the schutzjude required in many of the German duchies. The Swedish parliament actively discussed in committee whether Jews should wear a distinguishing mark when walking in the street - perhaps a distinctive red or yellow hatband. In any case these measures would only apply to the wealthy. Poor Jews were subject to deportation. A large number of restrictions were placed on Jews, including residence outside the large cities of Stockholm, Göteborg, Norrköping and Landskrona. Jews could not reside or own property in the countryside, a restriction only removed in 1854. By 1870 Jews received equality on paper with citizens' rights apart from a prohibition against them serving as cabinet ministers (statsråd). Incredibly, this remained on the books until 1951.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/175685/sec_id/175685

2) Israel is not, or should not, be just for Jews.

yeah, tell that to netanyahu and his cronies :(

trigger warning he uses the term "political correctness" in that article xp

that site contains some pages that readers may find distressing

Off the top of my head, the only other country on earth other than Israel that outwardly expresses its denomination and wants its identity to be defined or understood by its religion is Tibet, a self-declared country for Buddhists. Buddhists who - despite the rep of being of a peaceful nature and religion - have killed off many other people. Because they didn't share their Buddhist belief.

There's no denying Jews have been hunted down, persecuted and even mass-destructed throughout the years. Solely because of their religion, because of their origin. But the answer cannot ever be to create and sustain a state based upon one certain religion. Moderate Jews are being frowned upon or hassled by Orthodox Jews. Muslims are second grade citizens in Israel. And if you're atheist, and live in Israel, you have a lot of explaining to do. Being and living in Israel is such a mind fuck of an experience. I know. I've been there. Either you are a devout Jew, identify yourself as one and live happily ever after; or by some unlucky 'mistake' you aren't. You could be a muslim. Or a Buddhist. Or worse: an atheist. In case of the latter, in Israel, you are pretty much fucked. Seen as disloyal, unpatriotic, bordering on a denier of hunt on Jews. You are basically a traitor. Because the country only really wants inhabitants that are of Judeo-Christian faith. Is that a free society, a free country open to each and every one? Hell no.

Ultra short: Rofl religion and religious people. No matter what the religion is, they'll always shit on people with other religions. Or shit on people who hold no faith at all. Basing a country solely on one religion, on one descendancy.. What could possible go wrong, amirite?

Off the top of my head, the only other country on earth other than Israel that outwardly expresses its denomination and wants its identity to be defined or understood by its religion is Tibet,

this is a joke right?

first take a gander at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

then plz don't ever say this again "There's no denying Jews have been hunted down, persecuted and even mass-destructed throughout the years. Solely because of their religion, because of their origin."

like i'm kinda speechless and i wonder whether you really just forgot about the dozens and dozens of christian and islamic defined countries that constitutionally define themselves as a particular religion or if this is just more of the exceptionalism that you tend to project onto the jewish ppl while conveniently forgetting every other human being on earth

Um dude, Amory Blaine, you are making a complete fool of yourself and have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

Characterizing Judaism as primarily a religion, or persecution of people of Jewish heritage as being "solely because of their religion", is not really correct

i mean "Moderate Jews are being frowned upon or hassled by Orthodox Jews," this demonstrates absolutely no understanding of the political situation in israel. reading that you'd never know that orthodox jews just suffered one of the biggest political blowbacks during this last administration. or that orthodox parties like shas are only ever brought into other party coalitions. or that even the settlement block is vastly secular.

"And if you're atheist, and live in Israel, you have a lot of explaining to do." except for all the atheist jews in israel you know what nevermind i can't even and i hate that idiom so if i'm using it you know things are bad

Being and living in Israel is such a mind fuck of an experience. I know. I've been there. Either you are a devout Jew, identify yourself as one and live happily ever after; or by some unlucky 'mistake' you aren't. You could be a muslim. Or a Buddhist. Or worse: an atheist.

As someone married to an atheist Israeli whose ancestors include atheists that were instrumental in the founding of the state, and most of whose Israeli family remain atheist to this day, I would question this statement. It's undeniable that the country is more "yours" if you are of Jewish heritage/ethnicity/descent, and it is also true that the Rabbinate has too much power over civil affairs, but it is absolutely not the case that you have to be a "devout Jew" to live freely there.

Or worse: an atheist. In case of the latter, in Israel, you are pretty much fucked. Seen as disloyal, unpatriotic, bordering on a denier of hunt on Jews. You are basically a traitor. Because the country only really wants inhabitants that are of Judeo-Christian faith.

Seriously, I'm shaken by this, because I'm wondering, do a lot of people with strong opinions about Israel, on one side or another, really have this little of a clue about how Israel works and what kind of place Israel is?

yes that is the most shocking bit to me, that lbi is clearly very passionate about I/P and yet seems to not know basic facts about its political + social composition

BTW, one of said family members is married to a British atheist man of no Jewish descent whatsoever, and he seems to live quite happily there as well. Not saying it's a totally pluralistic society, but AB's description is laughably ignorant.

hey folks, i've heard that you can killfile people on this board--i.e. not see their posts. is this true? (this is in re. amory blaine, naturally)

I wonder what it's like to be an atheist in Saudi Arabia though. Must be a "mind fuck of an experience" lol.

i've never gotten it to work w/ my primary browser (safari) or the zing app but i think it can be done w/ more conventional ways of interfacing w/ ilx xp

how? man, i'd love to killfile some motherfuckers.

i think this thread describes how: KILLFILE 2.0

antisemitism report from the workplace. a guy complained to my boss today about a "greedy Jew" (obv had no idea that the office is entirely jewish) and when he got called on it he said, "oh i don't mean all jews only those new york jews"

I'd say yes, that is anti-Semitic

I just want to say that the two Danish writers quoted in that article on Sweden are racist scum, who has said stuff like that muslim fathers rape and kill their daughters, or that muslims shouldn't be allowed to have freedom of speech. They are scum, and any article that quotes them so prominently is rubbish.

the article brings a certain amount of content to a non-scandinavian reader, for whom it is useful to have more information about what a hypocritical sewer sweden is in many ways, there has been fairly limited coverage in english of the dismal tolerance of antisemitism there

Well, if you believe it, but why would you? It's ultra right wing propaganda meant to make people hate muslims.

those of a sensitive disposition were given two trigger warnings

those capable of approaching a text in a less histrionic fashion might not be looking for an author to be their friend, and might be able to parse the author's evident prejudices from the not uninteresting history delivered within

Sure, the history up to 1951 is interesting. But everything about recent times is rubbish. Sweden can be a violent society. Mosques have also been set on fire recently, quite a few of them. Sweden has a problem with violent outliers, period. The Sweden Democrats, now the third biggest party -and kinda the good guys in that article- is originally an offspring of ultra-right-wing/neo-nazi groups.

I'm sorry, but using Lars Hedegaard and Morten Uhrskov to prop up an argument is the equivalent of using Glenn Beck or Ted Cruz or something. Probably even worse. If you read anything about somewhere in the US, and the first paragraphs said that problems there had been revealed by Cruz or Beck, you would stop believing the rest.

some people might even be capable of reading articles citing people they don't like, it's almost as if the object of reading a text weren't to solemnly approve of everything in it

the violence of criminal lumpens at anti-israel protests and nordic nationalists burning mosques are predictable, and not as interesting as the systemic violence of establishment antisemitism

sweden's failure to acculturate its immigrant populations, and the contempt most of its native born citizens have for those immigrants is quite clear

it is interesting the swedish civic class' phobic attitudes to any cultural separatism or affection for israel on behalf of its jewish citizens is one of the few ways it assuages the discontent of its balkan and middle eastern immigrants, certainly it is easier to achieve than addressing their aspirations to equal treatment, employment or dignity

May 26, 1971, Time: 10:03 am - 11:35 am -- Oval Office Conversation: 505-4 -- Meeting with Nixon and HR 'Bob' Haldeman

Richard Milhous Nixon: "Now, this is one thing I want. I want a Goddamn strong statement on marijuana. Can I get that out of this sonofabitching, uh, Domestic Council?"

HR Haldeman: "Sure."

RN: "I mean one on marijuana that just tears the ass out of them. I see another thing in the news summary this morning about it. You know it's a funny thing, every one of the bastards that are out for legalizing marijuana is Jewish. What the Christ is the matter with the Jews, Bob, what is the matter with them? I suppose it's because most of them are psychiatrists, you know, there's so many, all the greatest psychiatrists are Jewish. By God we are going to hit the marijuana thing, and I want to hit it right square in the puss, I want to find a way of putting more on that. More [unintelligible] work with somebody else with this."

HRH: "Mm hmm, yep."

RN: "I want to hit it, against legalizing and all that sort of thing."

[http://www.csdp.org/research/nixonpot.txt]

The number of antisemitic incidents in the UK has reached the highest level ever recorded, with reports of violence, property damage, abuse and threats against members of Britain’s Jewish population more than doubling last year .

The Community Security Trust, a Jewish security charity which runs an incident hotline, recorded 1,168 antisemitic incidents against Britain’s 291,000 Jews in 2014, against 535 in 2013 and 25% up on the previous record in 2009.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/05/antisemitic-attacks-uk-community-security-trust-britain-jewish-population

Nixon tapes, i never get tired of them.

there were so many threads i thought about posting that to when i saw it