andrew sullivan c/d

Here's what this man was posting in March 2003: http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2003/03/page/3/

ouch. this is painful, horrible reading.

at the very least, it's a good antidote to any lingering positive feelings i might have had about the guy.

It’s really wonderful to watch apologists for inaction now have to watch as action defeats evil. They will change the subject; they will attack those who got this entire story right while they got it entirely wrong. But they will never reconsider. That would require the kind of open mind that Conason jettisoned years ago. The forces of evil are being dealt a terrible blow on the battle-field. But their chattering enablers are about to be politically annihilated.

Last post on Friday.

Hope he just does this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE

RIP:

I’m known for changing my mind, when the facts change. But on this, I remain convinced that we were more than right to elect Obama twice. His even temperament, his endurance of so many slings and arrows, his integrity and his patriotism loom large at this moment, but will seem, in my view, even larger from the rear-view mirror. We will miss this man when he is gone; and I am deeply proud of having played some small part in framing the case for him, and in seeing it through.

Ah yes. One last time with feeling.

Meep meep, motherfuckers. Meep Meep.

At least shaking his hand at Mass convinced me to stop going to church. Never been back.

I’m known for changing my mind, when the facts change

lol

a Groucho Marxist

"those are my opinions. if you don't like them, I have others"

"those are my opinions. if you don't like them, I have others wait til you get a load of these...."

Lots of retrospective posts and do-you-remember-whens today. From 2004:

Well, I could easily be wrong, but I have a feeling Cheney will crush Edwards tonight. The format is God’s gift to Daddy. They’ll both be seated at a table, immediately allowing Cheney to do his assured, paternal, man-of-the-world schtick that makes me roll on my back and ask to have my tummy scratched. (Yes, I do think that Cheney is way sexier than Edwards. Not that you asked or anything.)

what's the opposite of asking

Okay, that's just...ew. And Sullivan is one of my favorite hate reads, but I don't read it for Re-puke porn.

https://sullydish.files.wordpress.com/2013/11/andrew-sullivan-i-was-wrong-cover2.png?w=244&h=391

So I miss this blog. Are there any other good general-discussion blog heavy on politics that I should be reading in its place? Seems like a very big readership to just send into the wind without a clear successor

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

Not sure if that's a joke suggestion or not. I do read the Corner from time to time, because it's nice to read smart conservative opinions, but I'm looking for something a little less ideologically rigid (and borderline hateful)

Larison often shrewd about GOP foreign policy pieties.

u should read twitter

chait stepping into the vacuum, it seems

i miss this blog too!

He must be giving an earful tonight to whoever's sitting next to him at the bar / on the beach.

One-day return:

http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2015/06/26/it-is-accomplished/

His 1989 article advancing "a (conservative) case for gay marriage" is worth a read:
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/79054/here-comes-the-groom

I haven't been keeping up, so this was probably posted in the political thread:

https://newrepublic.com/article/138951/beyond-hope-barack-obama-legacy-age-trump

It's a roundtable on Obama, and Sullivan's part of it. Unsurprisingly, his is the most uncritical evaluation, so much so that he's ridiculed by the other participants more than once.

It’s easy to mock this reductionism, I know, but it reflects something a little deeper. Asian-Americans, like Jews, are indeed a problem for the “social-justice” brigade. I mean, how on earth have both ethnic groups done so well in such a profoundly racist society? How have bigoted white people allowed these minorities to do so well — even to the point of earning more, on average, than whites? Asian-Americans, for example, have been subject to some of the most brutal oppression, racial hatred, and open discrimination over the years. In the late 19th century, as most worked in hard labor, they were subject to lynchings and violence across the American West and laws that prohibited their employment. They were banned from immigrating to the U.S. in 1924. Japanese-American citizens were forced into internment camps during the Second World War, and subjected to hideous, racist propaganda after Pearl Harbor. Yet, today, Asian-Americans are among the most prosperous, well-educated, and successful ethnic groups in America. What gives? It couldn’t possibly be that they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work, and thereby turned false, negative stereotypes into true, positive ones, could it? It couldn’t be that all whites are not racists or that the American dream still lives?

His primary question is worth asking. His coyly suggested (but simultaneously denied) answer, that "they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work", is based on little more than stereotyping - which he (again, coyly) suggests are "true stereotypes" w/o offering any hint of evidence.

That is opinion writing at its laziest. Ask a worthwhile question, then give a worthless answer made up of anecdotes and intellectual sweepings.

As some folks on twitter have pointed out, Sullivan never read this article:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2017/04/14/asian-americans-used-to-be-portrayed-as-the-villains-how-did-they-become-a-model-minority/?utm_term=.e29c96639c44

Sullivan's take is lazy and not well-researched, compared to the Jeff Guo & Daron Taylor Washington Post article I posted..

Well, Sullivan seems forever locked in competition with Jonah Goldberg to see who can push out the laziest, least-researched copy, so.

After commenting on this I went to the kitchen and as I started cooking supper the truly poisonous racist assumptions that are hiding in plain sight in that paragraph jumped out at me. wtf were you thinking, Andrew Sullivan?

His primary question is worth asking. His coyly suggested (but simultaneously denied) answer, that "they maintained solid two-parent family structures, had social networks that looked after one another, placed enormous emphasis on education and hard work", is based on little more than stereotyping - which he (again, coyly) suggests are "true stereotypes" w/o offering any hint of evidence.

That is opinion writing at its laziest. Ask a worthwhile question, then give a worthless answer made up of anecdotes and intellectual sweepings.

Not worth asking

i mean it's _worth asking_ (assuming you, for whatever reason, haven't given the idea serious thought before) why some minority groups are more well-off than others. though it's probably a more appropriate question for google.com than an op-ed

I'm not sure what 'primary question' exactly is being talked about here, like

why have asian-americans been so successful in many way = question worth asking

does asian-american success prove that racism is actually nbd = question not worth asking

though I got the impression that Aimless was talking about the former?

Asian-American and Jewish men are not seen as threats to white male supremacy

I’ve always felt a little insecure about my homosexuality because I’ve never really understood camp. Well, I do understand it as a concept; it just doesn’t come naturally to me.

And is it any wonder that reactionaries are gaining strength? Within the space of 50 years OR SO SINCE REAGAN SLASHED TAXES ON THE RICH, America has gone from segregation to dizzying multiculturalism; from traditional family structures to widespread divorce, cohabitation, and sexual liberty; from a few respected sources of information to an endless stream of peer-to-peer media; from careers in one company for life to an ever-accelerating need to retrain and regroup; from a patriarchy to (incomplete) gender equality; from homosexuality as a sin to homophobia as a taboo; from Christianity being the common culture to a secularism no society has ever sustained before ours.

ftfy andy

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/andrew-sullivan-why-the-reactionary-right-must-be-taken-seriously.html

speaking of reactionary

I don't wanna cross-pollinate too much between the stupid people thread and this one, but this New York magazine gig has really hammered home for me how well the old description "a stupid person's idea of a smart person" applies to Sullivan. He's superficially well-read, and can write a whole sentence with no punctuation errors in it, but he's a fucking imbecile.

the most withering read of Andrew Sullivan is the one by Sarah Schulman, in Gentrification of the Mind pic.twitter.com/rQ31B7WPet

— Sarah Nicole Prickett (@sylvia__north) February 2, 2018

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/andrew-sullivan-will-there-always-be-an-england.html

send this guy back to his imaginary white kingdom

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DgTnf4OVQAA9U15.jpg:small

Of course, as a lot of people have pointed out on twitter already, the Dems already offered him the wall a couple of times in their big immigration reform deals, and he refused it.

Honestly. Andrew Sullivan is tiresome. You can't have that high church pomposity yet celebrate yourself as a heretic. It comes out as a wash.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) March 30, 2018

Fun lil' thread here

Holy cow. Sullivan got a federal simple possession charge tossed because he was rich and famous and his citizenship application was pending. Now he wants a wall. https://t.co/MvEk2PH61l

— Charles, Star of Mic Dicta (@Ugarles) June 23, 2018

he really loves people in power huh

i wish someone had nuked the 90s new republic from space

he really loves people in power huh

― the bhagwanadook (symsymsym),

he loves daddies

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/07/did-trump-just-help-stop-brexit.html

I accidentally read a few paragraphs of this without checking the byline at all and I was like who is this catastrophizing accelerationist madman writing for nymag? Jesus he's fucking lost it. I knew this when he was obsessing over the Palin children, but why is he still getting paid by anyone to write this lunatic dribble?

andrew sullivan’s newest column is complete garbage and i’m embarrassed to be even tangentially associated with it

— brian feldman (@bafeldman) August 3, 2018