Better Singer: Kanye West or Paul McCartney

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Are we comparing Kanye to Paul now or Paul in the 60s and 70s?

we're comparing Kanye 30 years from now to Paul McCartney when he was 11

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Rockists

when did ppl stop rating 808s

Since its release iirc

Would have voted Paul, he could smoke Kanye under the table

Ew

808s is his best and most interesting album, how is this not the accepted wisdom re kanye

having a real twilight zone moment here

808s was pretty divisive at the time and got set up to be the kind of commercial disappointment/backlash moment that Yeezus actually ended up being, but it won the war and had huge radio songs and sold millions and has an enduring legacy of influencing Drake and all these other big records/acts that came after. but in terms of his catalog the people that rate it #1 are always gonna be a small passionate cult.

808s is the most cohesive album, it's definitely something you buy into or leave on the shelf, no real singles or w/e though

hadn't thought about it, but is it the only Kanye album with no Jay Z content?

yeah for a lot of guys under 25 Kanye starts with 808s.

like for a lot of guys there's no Jay Z before The Black Album.

;_; don't say these things, Alfred

I still remember the time this dude at a Jay-Z show I went to was playing Jay-Z tunes (without headphones, fuckin dick) and then boasted he was gonna play some obscure old Jay-Z track everybody probably didn't even remember, and then he starts playin...Linkin Park/Jay-Z's version of "Encore". and this concert was in 2011.

is it possible the dude was nose-tweaking heads with that? "lol, they're expecting something from reasonable doubt well, hee hee..."

where by "probably didn't even remember" he really meant "probably would like to forget"

he spent about an hour talking to his g/f about how Jay-Z just *had* to play "99 Problems" because it was his ultimate song and then kept reciting the first line over and over again, so I'm pretty sure the issue was he didn't realize there was a world pre-2004.

sorry, 2003

haha ok was just projecting why I'D drop "numb/encore" on the crowd at a jay-z concert

yeah for a lot of guys under 25 Kanye starts with 808s.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

like for a lot of guys there's no Jay Z before The Black Album.

― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, January 29, 2015 3:03 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

still don't understand how this is possible

i do think 808s is the most genuinely brave and weirdest album of kanye's career, way more than any of the ART ART ART I AM AN ARTIST stuff he's done since

you are marveling at people not being aware of music before a certain date

just making sure that's what's going on here

thanks rap police

didn't vote but kanye

i do think 808s is the most genuinely brave and weirdest album of kanye's career, way more than any of the ART ART ART I AM AN ARTIST stuff he's done since

― lex pretend, Thursday, January 29, 2015 1:03 PM (56 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

eh 808s was also the peak of his POP ART period, though. for me the part of the "Heartless" video where a rotoscope animation Kanye emotes in front of portraits of Jetsons characters always represented the pitiful nadir of his ambitions as an aesthete.

i dunno, i found those portraits of jane, judy and rosie to be a such a bold, unique way to cop to one's madonna-whore-robocop complex

lol mind blown

808s is the most cohesive album, it's definitely something you buy into or leave on the shelf, no real singles or w/e though

hadn't thought about it, but is it the only Kanye album with no Jay Z content?

― mh, Thursday, January 29, 2015 2:59 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

808s had some of Kanye's most successful commercial hit singles though.

I feel like "people just aren't aware of his history" is not a legit move wrt Kanye West

like from the faux-backpacker humbrag schtick of college dropout onwards his whole career is based around being deliberately past-negating with each big record