Is this anti-semitism?

http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z120/j77gm/greenfields-00006_zps50497f1f.png

Standards for cartoonists' right to offend seem fluid.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.638240

shit rip that cartoonist eh

wow i can't believe that the private self-regulatory organization Australian Press Council mildly condemned a newspaper for breaching Standards of Practice. whatever happened to freedom of speech???

meanwhile how many articles have been written so far saying that no one should be massacred for drawing a cartoon but charlie hebdo was asking for it.

extraordinary misreading of howard jacobson imo

idk if you think i'm saying jacobson wrote one of those articles and obv he didn't, or you don't think he was responding to those sorts of articles (which is why I linked to him)

The "but" that was deemed so necessary after 9/11 - that great "but" from which all the lesser "buts" have sprung - was the "but" of extenuation. It was the first, grammatical step in shifting blame from perpetrator to victim. Not only on the back of that "but" was America reminded that others had suffered, that America was instrumental in that suffering, and that America could therefore be said to bear a share of responsibility for what happened, the "butters" finally came within a whisker of condoning the act of terrorism itself.

Standards for cartoonists' right to offend seem fluid.

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/jewish-world-news/1.638240

― touch of a love-starved cobra (Dr Morbius), Sunday, January 25, 2015 6:36 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Morbs, honestly, posting that in this thread is clear trolling. Do you go in the rolling race thread and complain about people being offended by caricatures of black people?

http://www.antisemitisme.fr/dl/2014-EN.pdf

In 2014, the number of Antisemitic acts recorded on French soil doubled. They increased to 851 versus 423 in 2013. This represents a jump of 101 percent.

In 2014, violent acts increased by 130 percent compared to 2013. There were 241 violent acts in 2014 versus 105 in 2013.

Antisemitism has become increasingly violent and hyper-violent. Today, Antisemitic threats in France include persistent bias, sectarian stereotypes, deep hatred, but especially Antisemitic jihadist terror. Men and young children are killed for the sole reason that they are Jewish.

51 percent of racist acts committed in France in 2014 targeted Jews. Jews represent less than one percent of the French population. Less than 1 percent of this country's citizens are the target of half of all racist acts committed in France.

The 30-percent increase in racist acts committed in France in 2014 compared to 2013 comprises exclusively an increase in Antisemitic acts. Indeed, racist acts, excluding Antisemitic acts, that were recorded in 2014 decreased by 5 percent compared to 2013. This shows once again how much we need tailored programs, adequate measures, and specific tools to fight Antisemitism efficiently. Many anti-Racism programs do not stop the rise Antisemitic acts, far from it.

Cities most impacted by Antisemitic acts in 2014 include Paris, Marseille, Lyon, Toulouse, Sarcelles, Strasbourg, Nice, Villeurbanne and Créteil.

61% of all violent racist attacks recorded in France, 241, were directed against Jews, who are less than 1% of France's population. By comparison, only 55 violent racist acts were anti-Muslim. This means that in France, a Jew is nearly 50 times as likely to be the victim of bias violence as a Muslim is.

if true, that's rather harrowing. i wonder about the methodologies; i'll have to look for closely.

/more/ closely

to the conversation about UK antisemitism:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2926724/I-m-going-Jew-bashing-teenage-thug-texted-friend-thugs-beat-Orthodox-Jewish-man-protest-against-conflict-Palestine.html

Born in Germany to a Turkish family, Can is well-known for his anti-Israel activism. According to Die Welt, Can was caught on tape at a Copenhagen protest shouting into a borrowed police megaphone, “Death to the Jews,” “Hamas, Hamas, Jews to the gas chamber.”

At his Essen hearing this winter Can was prosecuted for his use of the term “Zionist” as incitement against a minority.

During the hearing, Can claimed he was not an anti-Semite and had nothing against the Jewish people but only against the Zionist state. In response, Judge Sastry is quoted by Die Welt saying, “‘Zionist’ is the language of anti-Semites, the code for ‘Jew.'”

Sastry’s judgment, which does not form a binding precedent in German law, essentially semantically equates anti-Semitism and anti-Zionism.

Can was sentenced to three months’ probation and a fine of 200 euros. He has until Friday to appeal.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/german-judge-rules-anti-zionism-is-code-for-anti-semitism/#ixzz3QbyVA29n

i don't totally understand why they needed to prosecute him based on the coded meaning of "zionist" when he said things like "death to the jews," maybe there was only recorded evidence for the former?

The former was also in Denmark which might have a bearing on whether it could be prosecuted in Germany.

Latter.

smart dude if the moment he crosses the border back into germany all the "jews" become "zionists."

ffs these guys are such assholes. some french ppl made fun of mohammed so how do we protest? obvs make fun of the jews
http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranians-to-host-holocaust-cartoon-contest/

A racist agitator has appalled members of Britain’s Jewish community by announcing plans for a march next month against “Jewification” in Stamford Hill, the centre of the ultra-orthodox Haredi population.

Joshua Bonehill, who describes himself as a “nationalist, fascist, theorist and supporter of white rights”, has called for a mass protest in the north London area “against the complete Jewification of the borough” and against the Shomrim, a neighbourhood watch group, that he claims wrongly is an illegal religious police force.

In February 2015, Bonehill was also charged in St Albans on allegations that he had written a hoax story on the website claiming that food from Tesco was infected with Ebola.[17]

Not expecting a big turnout for this tbh.

more like Bonehead

more bad news for french jewry
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2938009/Three-soldiers-anti-terror-patrol-Jewish-community-centre-Nice-France-stabbed.html

ummm

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/04/world/americas/argentina-prosecutor-alberto-nisman-arrest-warrant-cristina-de-kirchner.html

holy shit

Message on that Nice stabbing is pretty clear: don't protect Jews.

http://www.clarin.com/politica/Afiches-antisemitas-Villa_Crespo_0_1297070300.html

kirchner has always been a horrid piece of shit

so kirchner et al are basically arguing that the prosecutor was being fed stuff against them by rogue elements of the security services? weirdly, i can kind of imagine that happening.

what a mess.

"Underscoring the tension surrounding the death of Mr. Nisman, who was buried at a Jewish cemetery last week, anti-Semitic posters began appearing in central Buenos Aires this week. They read: 'The good Jew is the dead Jew. The good Jew is Nisman.'"

fuck these ppl

In a bitterly ironic reading, the poster is correct. He was a good Jew, and now he's dead.

Richard Cohen discovers that anti-semitism has something to do w/ Israel - tbh the guy is a tool but i had never seen these statistics before and found them really interesting:

In the United States, high levels of anti-Semitism in the Hispanic population dissipate with assimilation. The Anti-Defamation League tells us that, while 12 percent of all Americans are anti-Semites, the figure for foreign-born Hispanics is an astounding 36 percent. But for Hispanics born in the United States, the figure is only 14 percent. America is adept at assimilation. Europe is lousy at it. Europe needs work.

I wonder if that correlates to how old-school Catholic you are. I've heard similar figures for number of babies Latinos have in the US (high for immigrants, same as non-Latino for American born).

Israel’s occupation of the West Bank has always troubled me, but it is governed benevolently compared with the way China oppresses Tibet — and where are those demonstrations?

I always wonder whether people who write this actually don't know that lefties go to lots of demonstrations about how China oppresses Tibet. How many college students have you seen with "Free Tibet" shirts and how many have you seen with "Free Palestine" shirts? Young lefties freaking LOVE Tibet.

That said, Mordy, that article is perfectly fine but I think it says exactly the opposite of "Richard Cohen discovers that anti-semitism has something to do w/ Israel" -- I think Cohen comes down to saying that anti-Semitism found fertile ground in Christian and Muslim world before there was an Israel, still does now, and still would even if there were no Israel.

i was mainly referring to this: "The title of my recently published book is “Israel: Is It Good for the Jews?” When I started writing it, I did not know how I was going to answer that question. The more I delved into the subject, the more I read and did research, the more I concluded that the answer is yes. The recent events in Paris make me even surer." and then in conclusion, "That now seems underway and, sadly, makes my book title almost irrelevant. The question is not whether Israel is good for the Jews but whether it is necessary. That answer, increasingly, is yes."

like idk the naiveté that led to him not understanding the relationship between historical world antisemitism and the need for Israel to exist, that could only be pierced by his paying attention to a relatively minor example of antisemitism. maybe i'm being unfair and he's being disingenuous but it sounds like he's saying "i wasn't sure if israel was good but now after last couple weeks in france i think it's necessary," this is pretty much the thinking of a stupid person idk.

this article's comments section is a great example of the jewish version of lewis' law

it's kinda shocking/horrific tbh the stuff they allow ppl to post in their comments section at wapost.

"Stupid person": Mordy otm. Nearly every sentence of that article is a naive shambles. The whole thing reads like a 'my first antisemitism' piece. We need stronger, brighter advocates to tell the world that 1) anti-semitism is very real, and very much on the rise (in Europe at least it undeniably is), and 2) Israel is not, or should not, be just for Jews. The question whether a nation is "necessary" for people of a certain religion is dumb to begin with. No country should ever be solely necessary to harbour people of a certain faith.

lol i doubt mordy will find that post as otm as you did his

Your assessment strikes me as not entirely unlikely :) And yet.

tbph you'd probably find me more compassionate to the idea that israel was intended for a particular faith than many other jews who feel far iffier about characterizing jewishness entirely in the context of judaism (and not genealogical, cultural, ethnic, etc).

“Malmӧ sickness,” named after Sweden’s third largest city, has become a term to represent determined efforts to make Jews feel uncomfortable and invisible and afraid to identify in any public way with their faith or in support of Israel. It is instructive to look at the historical record to adequately appreciate how the country has exploited the Jewish community when needed. They were originally encouraged to stimulate the Swedish economy, and were invited to settle. All they needed was a capital of 2 000 riksdalers to obtain a letter of protection (skyddsbrev), a practice copied from the schutzjude required in many of the German duchies. The Swedish parliament actively discussed in committee whether Jews should wear a distinguishing mark when walking in the street - perhaps a distinctive red or yellow hatband. In any case these measures would only apply to the wealthy. Poor Jews were subject to deportation. A large number of restrictions were placed on Jews, including residence outside the large cities of Stockholm, Göteborg, Norrköping and Landskrona. Jews could not reside or own property in the countryside, a restriction only removed in 1854. By 1870 Jews received equality on paper with citizens' rights apart from a prohibition against them serving as cabinet ministers (statsråd). Incredibly, this remained on the books until 1951.

http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/175685/sec_id/175685

2) Israel is not, or should not, be just for Jews.

yeah, tell that to netanyahu and his cronies :(

trigger warning he uses the term "political correctness" in that article xp

that site contains some pages that readers may find distressing

Off the top of my head, the only other country on earth other than Israel that outwardly expresses its denomination and wants its identity to be defined or understood by its religion is Tibet, a self-declared country for Buddhists. Buddhists who - despite the rep of being of a peaceful nature and religion - have killed off many other people. Because they didn't share their Buddhist belief.

There's no denying Jews have been hunted down, persecuted and even mass-destructed throughout the years. Solely because of their religion, because of their origin. But the answer cannot ever be to create and sustain a state based upon one certain religion. Moderate Jews are being frowned upon or hassled by Orthodox Jews. Muslims are second grade citizens in Israel. And if you're atheist, and live in Israel, you have a lot of explaining to do. Being and living in Israel is such a mind fuck of an experience. I know. I've been there. Either you are a devout Jew, identify yourself as one and live happily ever after; or by some unlucky 'mistake' you aren't. You could be a muslim. Or a Buddhist. Or worse: an atheist. In case of the latter, in Israel, you are pretty much fucked. Seen as disloyal, unpatriotic, bordering on a denier of hunt on Jews. You are basically a traitor. Because the country only really wants inhabitants that are of Judeo-Christian faith. Is that a free society, a free country open to each and every one? Hell no.

Ultra short: Rofl religion and religious people. No matter what the religion is, they'll always shit on people with other religions. Or shit on people who hold no faith at all. Basing a country solely on one religion, on one descendancy.. What could possible go wrong, amirite?

Off the top of my head, the only other country on earth other than Israel that outwardly expresses its denomination and wants its identity to be defined or understood by its religion is Tibet,

this is a joke right?

first take a gander at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_religion

then plz don't ever say this again "There's no denying Jews have been hunted down, persecuted and even mass-destructed throughout the years. Solely because of their religion, because of their origin."

like i'm kinda speechless and i wonder whether you really just forgot about the dozens and dozens of christian and islamic defined countries that constitutionally define themselves as a particular religion or if this is just more of the exceptionalism that you tend to project onto the jewish ppl while conveniently forgetting every other human being on earth