Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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fascism-againster, sex-haver

goole, Thursday, 15 January 2015 23:21 (nine years ago) link

it looks like that dude did only previews and rephrasing of press releases for news pieces? I have no idea how these tools see that as corruption, when those are always fluff

valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 16 January 2015 02:30 (nine years ago) link

In fairness, "this preview provided by my girlfriend" is still an obvious declaration there.

This being GG, they still couldn't hit a open goal without fucking up - there were claims that the articles in the imgur were being deleted by PC Gaming, when ten seconds of Googling the titles found that they, er, weren't.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 January 2015 12:04 (nine years ago) link

http://www.american-buddha.com/ahitch81b_small.jpg

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 12:28 (nine years ago) link

oh my god. that's amazing. didn't make it to the end.

how's life, Friday, 16 January 2015 12:38 (nine years ago) link

deep cultural commentary

valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 16 January 2015 14:46 (nine years ago) link

"There isn't a line in the whole thing that isn't from somewhere else. That's obviously the point," said Yiannopoulos. "You actually, really believe that it could possibly be anything but a giant pisstake? That it could be 'deception'? Really?"

ah, the shia labeef defence

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 16 January 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link

When confronted with accusations of plagiarism on Twitter Yiannopoulos freely admitted that the collection was made up of other people's words, and that it was an example of "sampling" like in music.
"There isn't a line in the whole thing that isn't from somewhere else. That's obviously the point," said Yiannopoulos. "You actually, really believe that it could possibly be anything but a giant pisstake? That it could be 'deception'? Really?"

http://www.progressivefox.com/wp-content/gallery/thurm-block/thurm.jpg

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link

xp

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link

Milo Andreas Wagner

Milo. Andreas. Wagner.

valleys of your mind (mh), Friday, 16 January 2015 14:58 (nine years ago) link

This clown is so far gone, but sadly anyone who would still support him at this point is unlikely to be fazed by this, or anything.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 16 January 2015 15:00 (nine years ago) link

if they bought andrew bleepblorp they'll buy this turd

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 15:07 (nine years ago) link

Actually there's a perfectly reasonable tradition of bricolage, found content and recontextualisation in poetry, but none of that stops his own work from being unutterably offensive shite.

emil.y, Friday, 16 January 2015 15:11 (nine years ago) link

actually, it's about ethics in terrible poetry

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 16 January 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link

Milo. Andreas. Wagner.

pronounced vahgner, one hopes

mookieproof, Friday, 16 January 2015 15:22 (nine years ago) link

Vahgner, Max. VAHGNER.

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 15:50 (nine years ago) link

vah-nyare

qualx, Friday, 16 January 2015 16:16 (nine years ago) link

i just literally cannot conceive of how anyone wouldn't think milo to be insufferably full of shit.

#Research (stevie), Friday, 16 January 2015 16:33 (nine years ago) link

There's a lot of "but he's our asshole, full of shit though he may be" going on, though.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 16 January 2015 16:48 (nine years ago) link

He also self-published a book of poetry in 2007 called Eskimo Papoose under the name Milo Andreas Wagner, but it turns out that it may not be so much a work of poetry as a bizarre mix tape of Tori Amos lyrics.

The contents of the book were shared by former football punter Chris Kluwe

just step back and read these sentences, how amazing is this. pynchon can fuck off.

goole, Friday, 16 January 2015 19:12 (nine years ago) link

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Sounds like a forks display name (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 27 January 2015 21:28 (nine years ago) link

do you think this person is real

https://twitter.com/SyrianGamerBro

is this a real, honest twitter

goole, Wednesday, 28 January 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

A somewhat heartwarming story of the Troll Who Came In From The Cold

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/545/if-you-dont-have-anything-nice-to-say-say-it-in-all-caps

walid foster dulles (man alive), Thursday, 29 January 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link

I really have a lot of hope for all of this, like it is really cool that there is this constant discussion going on now. It would be cool if this was true about movies or tv or politics. Not the part about people being harassed, but about people having discussions. There is a mass awareness of feminism right now and for most of recent pop history it has been portrayed in a scary and misleading light. Note that pop portrayals of feminism have in the past tended to be written or commented by men. She has an opportunity here to really educate an entire generation (and more) of previously oblivious men and women about feminism. If this is the most famous she is going to get I say she should make her next video Feminism 101. That's just a suggestion tho.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Thursday, 29 January 2015 04:07 (nine years ago) link

i have pretty much the opposite view - to me the whole gamergate farrago has been a demonstration of how resistant a certain subset of men are to having discussions about anything which could, no matter how unlikely, be a threat to the things they hold dear.

how many gamergaters have actually watched a feminist frequency video? sarkeesian's points are level-headed and well-framed for a general audience - you don't need to have a deep understanding of feminist theory to grasp that the fact that she's found hundreds of examples of women in videogames being treated as set dressing or damsels in distress or reskinned male characters. and she's not saying that games should be banned or censored, just that these tropes are very, very common and there's value in pointing that out. it's basic cultural criticism ffs! if games are going to be considered an artform then of course they're going to be subject to the same scrutiny as movies or tv or politics.

but the actual content of her videos is never really discussed by gamergaters. if they do want to discuss femfreq at all, it's 'what happened to her kickstarter money' or 'hey ea, what role is she playing in mirror's edge 2 let's start a petition hurr hurr' but more often, as that link from her tumblr shows, it's just hurling the most vile abuse imaginable and refusing to even consider thinking about what she actually has to say.

it's great that sarkeesian's work is getting exposure in the new york times and on colbert, and that might well lead some people to think more than they ever have before about feminism, but i think those messsages are clearly failing to reach the people who most need to hear them. instead, they're doxxing people, issuing death threats, and convincing themselves that feminazis want to replace Call of Duty with Gone Home.

the bitter irony of the gamergate backlash against those 'gamers are dead' articles was that they were celebrating the widening of gaming culture - the stereotype of the cheeto-dusted basement-dwelling social inadequates is over because everyone's a gamer now! but as a result of those articles, those people have set their minds to dragging gaming back into the basement and making gaming culture as hostile as possible to anyone perceived as an 'outsider'.

bizarro gazzara, Thursday, 29 January 2015 10:46 (nine years ago) link

I don't know that's it's never discussed, more that there's a litany of criticisms (It's all out of context / she's stealing other people's let's play / she's making claims not backed up by the footage) that get recycled without much need to actually view the videos.

Also of course the straw manning that there is no female character that would make SJWs happy because (goes through checklist).

and she's not saying that games should be banned or censored

This gets a lot of "No but you can tell that they mean it" - though that tends to be the end that believes that she's not writing any of it, the whole thing is a Jonathan McIntosh presentation.

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 29 January 2015 12:46 (nine years ago) link

bizarro gazzara otm

goole, Thursday, 29 January 2015 17:17 (nine years ago) link

gamergate's really hit the bigtime now with its very own svu episode:

According to fan blog All Things Law and Order, an episode of Law & Order: SVU titled "Intimidation Game" will air next month. The episode covers a woman game developer who is preparing to launch her first game only to be met with "a stream of online insults, intimidation and death threats from the male-dominated gaming community." Another woman developer is assaulted at a gaming convention, leading to intervention from series mainstay Detective Tutuola (played by Ice-T).

http://www.polygon.com/2015/1/29/7949153/law-order-svu-gamergate-episode-nbc-tv

i'll be super-disappointed if this doesn't include a scene where munch asks a davis aurini analogue why he has so many skulls in his apartment.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 30 January 2015 10:21 (nine years ago) link

Ice-T's a massive gamer, isn't he?

#Research (stevie), Friday, 30 January 2015 10:46 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i think he is. i'm sure he'll be getting sealioned by gamergaters asking for his REAL opinion on ethics in games journalism in no time.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 30 January 2015 10:52 (nine years ago) link

The pathetiness of all of this was really driven home when they started attacking Tyler White lately for dating a Ubisoft "PR Girl", as one idiot blog described her. The tone of everything was at such breathlessness belying the fact that they'd all talked about it on podcasts & elsewhere for a good three years running.

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Friday, 30 January 2015 13:59 (nine years ago) link

Munch retired, iirc :(

mh, Friday, 30 January 2015 14:25 (nine years ago) link

a little help with your post: who are the they who were attacking, who is Tyler White, what would an Ubisoft PR Girl be, what was the person really, what was the breathless everything (was it all blogposts? or directed attacks? or), and who are the they that were talking about it* on podcasts for three years? it's kinda opaque!

*p sure this is the relationship that may or may not exist between Tyler White and a girl

xpost to kingfish

oochie wally (clean version) (sic), Friday, 30 January 2015 14:28 (nine years ago) link

GamerGate / PC Gamer writer, actual surname Wylde / PR is a shorthand (or 'acronym') for Public Relations / Anne Marie Lewis, Communicaitons Specialist at Ubisoft and blogger on their blog / breathlessness was imgurs, reddit threads, 8chan, all sites of GG activity, quickly stepping up and then slowwly stepping down from the claim that PC Gamer were deleting the offending articles - not sure about directed attacks but wouldn't surprise me / they in this are I assume Tyler and Anne Marie, though I hadn't heard about podcasts.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:04 (nine years ago) link

more like law and order: sjw

qualx, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:19 (nine years ago) link

high-fives

but, countdown to GG'ers going for "professional victims unit"

Doctor Casino, Friday, 30 January 2015 15:44 (nine years ago) link

countdown is t+7 hours at least.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 30 January 2015 16:23 (nine years ago) link

it's about harassment

https://storify.com/StephenAtWar/can-we-talk-about-this-1

goole, Friday, 30 January 2015 22:07 (nine years ago) link

"Raina refuses to delay the launch, and the cops must 'level up' to protect her," reads the official description.
weeping

Nhex, Saturday, 31 January 2015 01:46 (nine years ago) link

http://boingboing.net/2015/01/28/a-beginners-guide-to-the-red.html

lag∞n, Saturday, 31 January 2015 04:42 (nine years ago) link

speakin of, has anybody read Angry White Men? Is it any good?

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Saturday, 31 January 2015 06:01 (nine years ago) link

it's been my opinion for some time that this will end with someone being seriously hurt or killed

http://internet.gawker.com/the-psychopaths-of-gamergate-are-all-thats-left-and-th-1683271908

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:35 (nine years ago) link

i had to stop reading that article it was upsetting me

lag∞n, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link

matt binder tweeted out the vid of the 'street racer' dude, he just sounds legit medically delusional. though idk what kind of traction that guy really has within the community

the endless energy, though, that the the major figures have for harassment of really minor internet people is just fucked up

https://storify.com/StephenAtWar/can-we-talk-about-this-1

who can read these things w/o wincing, let alone following along? truly will never get it.

goole, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link

matt binder tweeted out the vid of the 'street racer' dude, he just sounds legit medically delusional. though idk what kind of traction that guy really has within the community

i mean, given what we've seen delusional ppl do in america in the last 10 years, shootings wise, does it matter what kind of cred he has in #gg? this stuff sets ppl in motion and there's no way of controlling the consequences, they sure as hell won't do anything but encourage him

kurt kobaïan (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:45 (nine years ago) link

yeah true, i was just saying. my (weak) understanding (from gawker comments lol) is that the guy is kind of an established internet crazy person?

you are right about the danger, absolutely.

goole, Tuesday, 3 February 2015 18:47 (nine years ago) link


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