The Father John Misty Thread

Ideal Husband is great. That second verse is so brutal. I do find his lyrics moving actually.

guys guys you're going waaaaaay too far back for your reference points

consider bright eyes and later bad seeds

ok that was ign'nt since i've only heard bored in the usa

haha very ignorant just after flipping through "bored" again and some other stuff. i think his caustic literalness just reminds me of some of their stuff, but the sound is very different

i'll accept he sounds further back, how about a meaner rupert holmes

He does have some of Cave's black sense of humour but I hear Nilsson all over this. I think it's the arrangements and the general air of 70s LA barfly debauchery. He wears a string section like an old suit that needs dry cleaning.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTRpLhyVHqI

Life's a constant disappointment
When you live on celluloid
But my movie expectations are a dream I can't avoid
Waiting for a girl to say the things
That I heard in a film last night
But she doesn't want to play the role
And she can't pick her cues up right
Will I dream? Yes, I might

his hooks would have to be hookier and his attitude more whimsical (if dark) for me to bring up nilsson above 80 other 70s singer-songwriters

As a genre I like "charismatic self-loathing asshole who wrecks everything he touches but has a great arranger".

lol that prob deserves its own thread

marcus maronus

As a 70s singer-songwriter archetype it beats "soulful nice guy who wants you to forgive his fuck-ups because it's so hard making it in this crazy world"

you guys are hilarious.

can't wait for the divorce album

people put out too many records...these days...

10 albums! (plus EPs and singles...)

but how much does he resemble jackson browne?

God sends his spaceships to America the beautiful
They land at six o'clock and there we are, the dutiful
Eating from TV trays
Tuned into Happy Days
Waiting for World War III while Jesus slaves
To the mating calls of lawyers in love

when oswald shot kennedy he was insane and still we watch the reruns again and again...

but how much does he resemble jackson browne?

― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton),

You should prob check out Blake Mills' "don't tell all your friends about me" if you're looking for a jackson browne version of this.

not that you were

i thought that was so profound in whatever year that was...

but how much does he resemble jackson browne?

― $80 is absurd and very ridiculous! (Sufjan Grafton),

You should prob check out Blake Mills' "don't tell all your friends about me" if you're looking for a jackson browne version of this.

― Heez, Thursday, January 15, 2015 11:57 AM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I like this. I need to find this thread.

actually, I saw Blake Mills with Fiona Apple in 2014 and then forgot to check this album out

i was asleep and driving my kids to school this morning and i swear this is the first time i ever heard this song. on the radio in the car. i looked it up. no. 2 in the country! who knew? or it was no. 2. sold 190,000 copies. of the album.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYSVMgRr6pw

it was just a weird song to hear in the car in the morning. while asleep. i was all: pop radio is weird or something...where's my all about the bass song i hear twice in ten minutes on the ride to school?

it wasn't unpleasant to hear. and way way better than the faux-arcade fire geronimo song i heard a little later on the radio.

these nu-dudes are all over the place. john grant is the first one i was genuinely moved by.

funny that john grant also has a song with honeybear in the title

sometime last year a critic I don't always like (steven hyden) said something about this album like "it is likely to inspire rapturous reviews and unreadable thinkpiecess" and after several listens to it...that seems pretty otm

FJM unveils stunning new digital release strategy

http://www.fatherjohnmisty.com/sap/

Those SAP'd renditions are great.

Josh Tillman is on some fuck shit. I loved the three new tracks I heard in the lead-up to the album's release (well, leak), but I should've sensed that I was in for a disappointment when I found myself returning exclusively to live versions of the songs. Like the last album, which featured sterilized, overproduced versions of his demos and live cuts--another clue I should've caught--this one has been so diluted in the studio as to make close listening to his lyrics unpleasant.

But, the thing is, even his lyrics--sharp as they sometimes are--tend to veer into their own sort of excess. Which is to say that, for all their wit, they're sometimes so willfully clever, so self-satisfied that they read like the sass of an adolescent who's just discovered sarcasm.

The lyrics and the overproduction, then, work similarly and together: they often seem pointless--and he pointlessly clever, pointlessly cruel--and they more often seem to miss the point entirely--that, for instance, Tillman comes across as more or less the male equivalent to the person he's bitching about in "The Night Josh Tillman Came to Our Apartment". Maybe that's part of the joke, but the sheer, overwhelming amount of sarcasm and self-consciousness (self-obsession, really) makes it hard to read his intentions well, makes it hard to tell whether and when he's being genuine. I mean, this is probably a dumb question, but my confusion maybe epitomizes my response to the album: he's making fun of us on "True Affection", right, with its vocal effects and its pop-electro instrumental? He's mocking us like he mocks the girl who uses the word "literally" too often and in the wrong situations--as Tillman himself mis- and over-applies his needlessly cutting lyricism and his studio bells and whistles. It seems instructive that Tillman, in spite of his apparent disdain for the girl in "The Night Josh Tillman...", chooses to sleep with her anyway.

http://grantland.com/features/father-john-misty-i-love-you-honeybear/

excellent longform profile

xp based on what he sez in the profile, i think he just wanted to mess around with electro sounds on "true affection" and evidently liked the way it came out - that particular song is not a piss-take on the listener altho it is supposed to be about how frustrating electronic communication can be.

also i don't think how faltering in your own actions in spite of your frustration with someone or something - like, sleeping with a guy or girl you are angry with or even disdainful of - is anything other than an incredibly human thing, albeit a very ugly/unflattering one

Debates about authenticity are boring and pointless

prob but we gotta get these posts off

brilliant marketing
http://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0616/5709/products/fjm_shirt_mascera.jpg?v=1422377034

Can someone tell me what distinguishes the music of Kozelek and this clown from the endless supply of Earnest Singer-Songwriter Dudes that pfork 2015 routinely ignores / ostensibly despises? I mean, apart from narcissistic lyrics that occasionally read like the "outrageous" tweets of an oversharing friend?

this guy doesn't seem particularly earnest as much as painfully self-conscious and hiding behind layers of irony which is more obnoxious

ooh the backlash

don't see any similarities to Kozelek tbh

this guy doesn't seem particularly earnest as much as painfully self-conscious and hiding behind layers of irony which is more obnoxious

that seems to be the difference JD was wondering about

still think Steely Dan is the closest analogue. I guess people found them obnoxious too

(not in terms of jazz-rock chops obviously, but in terms of juxtaposing slick, pretty music with bleakly cynical/ironic lyrics)

this guy doesn't seem particularly earnest as much as painfully self-conscious and hiding behind layers of irony which is more obnoxious

that seems to be the difference JD was wondering about

― Dinsdale, Tuesday, February 10, 2015 11:48 AM (9 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

bingo

He doesn't seem to be hiding behind irony as much as he just really enjoys irony, moreso in interviews/persona than in the music itself tbh, which is mostly pretty straightforward

I think that's my main issue with it - he's not committed to it. As a result the context, to me, seems less Bonnie Billy and more I'm Still Here or something. It's neither compelling nor especially inscrutable in a way that makes you wanna peel the layers. It just feels like a bad gimmick. Which would be fine if the music he was producing wasn't bland as bread.

hmm Oldham is an interesting point of comparison - particularly "Sings Greatest Palace Music". I'm not interested in peeling layers in general though. it's the songs that count.

he does have an I'm Still Here beard

and I see that he pooped on my spotify as I slept last night

xp Do they, though? There are far, far better songwriters who put out records last year that don't seem to get the same attention, mostly because their music doesn't lend itself as easily to lifestyle reporting. I also don't think it's a coincidence that Kozelek's star seemed to rise in proportion to his trolling.

This is pretty damn great:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oGk0QUXXj-4