I can assure as an early teens farm kid it was not something that I knew about, the Black Panthers or Marcus Garvey or Farakhan and I still feel that it all tremendously opened my eyes to issues of race and justice in America and as a white kid introducing me to the idea that my "normal" life was not given to everyone and in fact was built in many ways on the suffering of others.
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:29 PM (1 hour ago)
just wanted to add another big "fuck yes" to this
― contenderizer, Friday, 9 January 2015 02:51 (nine years ago) link
xpost rev - though isn't kinda by definition RTJ pitche a bit as a throwback to that era, & obv dudes are from a different era age wise
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 January 2015 03:00 (nine years ago) link
(though whiney insists they have a whole new fanbase of all my world of young ppl so who knows)
Their new fanbase of young ppl is the adult swim world of young ppl basically. It's not ... Cool, exactly
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 9 January 2015 03:22 (nine years ago) link
how is rick and morty not cool exactly
― contenderizer, Friday, 9 January 2015 03:36 (nine years ago) link
They FP'in! Aw, made you postYou a slave to a thread made by ott's ghost
the best
― The Complainte of Ray Tabano, Friday, 9 January 2015 04:05 (nine years ago) link
i was gonna start a hip hop retirement community thread actually just to talk about old shit― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown)
― shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 January 2015 04:38 (nine years ago) link
and i loved the cormega album
ha, yeah. would def participate
― Spottie, Friday, 9 January 2015 04:45 (nine years ago) link
Me too obvy
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 06:39 (nine years ago) link
Altho isnt there already the random old ass rap you are digging thread
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 06:40 (nine years ago) link
yeah but thats kinda like "random" or obscure you know. sometimes i want to just talk about kool g rap verse or rank master p albums or whatever
― Spottie, Friday, 9 January 2015 07:49 (nine years ago) link
i feel like the focus on weird rap warbly stuff is far less on the ilm goon thread than on rap twitter, the rap internet elsewhere. there are only a handful of regulars and i think we all have pretty distinct approaches to hip-hop generally
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2015 09:52 (nine years ago) link
i like m@tt's post though i remain proud of my "old ppl ewww" mentality, it is up to old ppl to improve themselves if this is to change
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2015 09:53 (nine years ago) link
boomin' post UMS
― Rallsballs@onelist.com (stevie), Friday, 9 January 2015 11:08 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, great post UMS. If RT had it within him to write something like that this thread would have been less of a clusterfuck.
― Minaj moron (Re-Make/Re-Model), Friday, 9 January 2015 11:50 (nine years ago) link
anyway i'm using this as an excuse to post this mick jenkins song which i think is good
i'm still playing the album from last year a lot. if RT was a real person (or if he actually bothered to engage in the discussion he started) then i'd definitely recommend he check it out.
― out here like a flopson (tpp), Friday, 9 January 2015 16:04 (nine years ago) link
lex's religious devotion to capitalism's planned obsolescence is always a wonder to behold
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 16:52 (nine years ago) link
so was RT banned? not seeing it in admin log
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:31 (nine years ago) link
This guy went from 50 to 80(!!!) flagged posts in a matter of hours. You won't be seeing him for a while.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 January 2015 20:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:32 (nine years ago) link
freedom of speech is under attack!
― example (crüt), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:36 (nine years ago) link
first they came for the racoons, and I said nothing
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:37 (nine years ago) link
He actually pursued that line in the Charlie Hebdo thread, tasteful huh? (xp)
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
#weareallraccoontanuki
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:38 (nine years ago) link
#jesuisleratonlaveur
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link
tbf he made a lone reference to "zionist media"
I fp'd him for it nonetheless cuz really one is enough
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:42 (nine years ago) link
Not just Zionist media but *our Zionist media.
(*Minaj/ Charli XCX fans I presume)
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:44 (nine years ago) link
oh i gave him all kinds of FPs, all his bullshit about feminism and gays and transgenders, in addition to the hebdo thread bullshit. fuck that guy imo. the fact that there is a decent thread to be salvaged here has nothing to do with that dork and everything to do with the generosity of ILX to share interesting thoughts on shit
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:45 (nine years ago) link
Tanuki-gate aside ... I identify with a lot of what UMS wrote, age and experience-wise. With the added thought that for a white kid who grew up in the '80s loving '70s punk, PE in particular was the first thing that felt like my own personal punk rock. I mean, I loved the Replacements and Husker Du and whatever, but PE was a comfort-zone challenge that those bands weren't. And then De La and Tribe and so forth were the warm fuzzy reassurance that this could be a musical space for everybody. (i.e. weirdos of all colors seemed welcome)
That said, it is hard to separate music from its time and place for some kind of better then/worse now comparison. LOTS of things were different in 1988 or 1994. One thing I like about SremmLife is that it sounds perfectly 2015 to me. (And it's certainly no sillier than Sex Packets, which I also love.)
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:46 (nine years ago) link
idk why ppl were convinced he was a sock rather than a run-of-the-mill idiot but even if he was, that was the kind of sockery where someone reveals what they really feel anyway
― lex pretend, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:47 (nine years ago) link
Didn't know anything about the guy previously but his post on Hebdo thread made me fear for his mental health.
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:50 (nine years ago) link
Jesus christ, I was wondering why this thread had so many replies!
What a colossal dick!
― You’re being too simplistic and you’re insulting my poor heart (Turrican), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:51 (nine years ago) link
yeah I cosign m@tt's experience for the most part, although I would add that rap was something that was just around/of interest for basically as long as I can remember - from Rapper's Delight through the Def Jam era to Boyz n the Hood, and when the "golden era" hit it was just this crazy opening up of black voices, narratives, ideas, histories for me, it was like a very sudden expansion. A natural extension that coincided with my own growing up. It was a gateway thing, which, in the pre-internet era was pretty amazing. There's no point in trying to replicate or reproduce that unique set of circumstances, but I have a fondness for it, it def changed how I thought about and heard things.
xp
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:53 (nine years ago) link
― lex pretend, Friday, January 9, 2015 12:47 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
otm
― marcos, Friday, 9 January 2015 17:54 (nine years ago) link
my understanding is that RT pulled down over 80FPs so the system works.
― shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 January 2015 17:57 (nine years ago) link
Just some dumb british "real hip hop" kid. It's unlikely he's even listened to likes Future/Chief Keef/Young Thug/Migos to even have the ability to comprehend the sociopolitical statements their music makes without the overt lame 5th grade Dead Prez crap, let alone be able to anyway being a Brit.
― Arctic Noon Auk, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
hi
― Tanukious D' (wins), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:07 (nine years ago) link
http://redwedgemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/IRA1.jpg
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:08 (nine years ago) link
god loves a tryer
― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:09 (nine years ago) link
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20140416021517/simpsons/images/5/5e/Snrub.jpg
― example (crüt), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:11 (nine years ago) link
when the "golden era" hit it was just this crazy opening up of black voices, narratives, ideas, histories for me, it was like a very sudden expansion
Yeah, totally. And -- contra the thread title -- it wasn't just about the political stuff, it was Rob Base and LL and Tone Loc and Salt n Pepa and New Jack Swing, just a whole vibrant world of hip-hop.
― something of an astrological coup (tipsy mothra), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:15 (nine years ago) link
m@tt otm, for me it was 'fear of a black planet' and then 'death certificate' and 'the predator'. really eye-opening, especially considering those were never played on radio around me out in the sticks and everyone i know who listened to hip-hop was mostly into the beastie boys. and 3rd bass for some reason. i remember listening to 'death certificate' on headphones in my room and feeling like i was listening to the greatest shit i'd ever heard. more intense for me than any punk album i'd heard.
― LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=161ZRrJZESA
― Arctic Noon Auk, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
Uncle Killjoy Chuck D calls out Kanye, Jay-Z over really fun 'Otis' lyrics
http://thegrio.com/2011/08/05/chuck-d-calls-out-kanye-jay-z-over-otis-lyrics/
― Arctic Noon Auk, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:27 (nine years ago) link
I did have some weird geographic proximity being in the LA 'burbs. Which were totally white (and asian) so I found it kinda mind-boggling that Above the Law were just a few miles away from me in Pomona. I had been through South Central, I knew where Crenshaw Blvd was. (My dad once took the family to visit the Watts Towers, the significance of which did not register with me until much later). Girls would dance to Tone Loc's Wild Thing and Funky Cold Medina and JJ Fad on the jukebox in the high school cafeteria. So hip hop culture wasn't totally an abstraction to me, it was just this thing that was a few towns away, and now here was a whole rich body of work cracking the door on what it was like over there.
― Οὖτις, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:29 (nine years ago) link
""When the '90s were coming in, a whole bunch of different things were happening in society that rap music was answering to, which showed itself as being a diverse art form," he recalled. "Therefore, the threat of black people having something to say, with their large vocabularies through rap music, was something that kind of threw the media on its side for a minute. So I saw this coming."
As a result, the culture lost more than it gained, Chuck D contends.
"Because you see a few people make financial gains, [that] doesn't mean that the entire movement and people were catapulting forward," he said. "That's what I saw at the end of the '90s-somebody was defining us before we could define ourselves."
Rappers, Chuck D added, began to do anything for money, such as glorifying drug dealing.
"People started giving drug dealers props. I've seen neighborhoods wiped out by drug dealers for like a 15- to 20-year period. It's very easy to take advantage of black people because it's been done for 300 years, and we've learned to love the abuse."
― Arctic Noon Auk, Friday, 9 January 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link
― The World's Strangest Man 2014 (Tom D.), Friday, January 9, 2015 12:44 PM (50 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
Je Suis Charli
― ancient texts, things that can't be pre-dated (President Keyes), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:36 (nine years ago) link
hi who is this mysterious new poster
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:37 (nine years ago) link
mods if you need to block all UK IP addresses just to keep this buffoon out i say it's worth the hit
― Gombeen Dance Band (Noodle Vague), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:39 (nine years ago) link
next week:
Count Crania KO has been banned permanently.
― Tanukious D' (wins), Friday, 9 January 2015 18:40 (nine years ago) link