What happened to socially/politically concious rappers

yes! ILX welcomes earnestness and sincerity when it is honestly expressed ime.

if rc was some earnest 35 year old true elements head rather than some british kid that is bent on exposing the horrors of islam and calling us out for not listening to the fugees... i'd have a lot more time for this.

thx :)

british kid that is bent on exposing the horrors of islam
^^i must've missed something

oh yea that's probably where the majority of the FPs came from

b-b-but everyone knows some of the best political rap comes from black muslims ...

haha yeah that is weird so much NOI and 5% stuff was so ingrained in a lot of what constituted "consciousness"

These are good posts but I feel like their arguments are a bit dated, if not nearly as much so as RTs. I mean, who even bags on political rap in 2015? The conscious rap backlash happened a decade ago.

well it def lost its cool factor, there was def a kind of glamor of opposition in the late 90s indie rap scene that has basically evaporated, everyone is afraid of being preachy ...

thx :)

british kid that is bent on exposing the horrors of islam
^^i must've missed something
--Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

he also went on a tear about "Zionism" in the hebdo thread, iirc, it was a jamboree of multi-purpose offensive shit

I feel like while there isn't as much explicitly "political" stuff in the blatant sloganeering sense there is a good amount of poignant social commentary - tacit or direct - even in what is ostensibly goon or crime rap

xxxpost rev it's so marginalized now it barely exists to bag on

Ehh I don't really agree with that. RTJ have the most critically acclaimed rap record of the year and play theaters all over the country.

I can assure as an early teens farm kid it was not something that I knew about, the Black Panthers or Marcus Garvey or Farakhan and I still feel that it all tremendously opened my eyes to issues of race and justice in America and as a white kid introducing me to the idea that my "normal" life was not given to everyone and in fact was built in many ways on the suffering of others.

― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, January 8, 2015 5:29 PM (1 hour ago)

just wanted to add another big "fuck yes" to this

xpost rev - though isn't kinda by definition RTJ pitche a bit as a throwback to that era, & obv dudes are from a different era age wise

(though whiney insists they have a whole new fanbase of all my world of young ppl so who knows)

Their new fanbase of young ppl is the adult swim world of young ppl basically. It's not ... Cool, exactly

how is rick and morty not cool exactly

They FP'in! Aw, made you post
You a slave to a thread made by ott's ghost

the best

i was gonna start a hip hop retirement community thread actually just to talk about old shit
― Wu-Tang Clannad (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

and i loved the cormega album

ha, yeah. would def participate

Me too obvy

Altho isnt there already the random old ass rap you are digging thread

yeah but thats kinda like "random" or obscure you know. sometimes i want to just talk about kool g rap verse or rank master p albums or whatever

i feel like the focus on weird rap warbly stuff is far less on the ilm goon thread than on rap twitter, the rap internet elsewhere. there are only a handful of regulars and i think we all have pretty distinct approaches to hip-hop generally

i like m@tt's post though i remain proud of my "old ppl ewww" mentality, it is up to old ppl to improve themselves if this is to change

boomin' post UMS

Yeah, great post UMS. If RT had it within him to write something like that this thread would have been less of a clusterfuck.

anyway i'm using this as an excuse to post this mick jenkins song which i think is good

i'm still playing the album from last year a lot. if RT was a real person (or if he actually bothered to engage in the discussion he started) then i'd definitely recommend he check it out.

lex's religious devotion to capitalism's planned obsolescence is always a wonder to behold

so was RT banned? not seeing it in admin log

This guy went from 50 to 80(!!!) flagged posts in a matter of hours. You won't be seeing him for a while.

― Matt DC, Thursday, 8 January 2015 20:51 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

freedom of speech is under attack!

first they came for the racoons, and I said nothing

He actually pursued that line in the Charlie Hebdo thread, tasteful huh? (xp)

#weareallraccoontanuki

#jesuisleratonlaveur

tbf he made a lone reference to "zionist media"

I fp'd him for it nonetheless cuz really one is enough

Not just Zionist media but *our Zionist media.

(*Minaj/ Charli XCX fans I presume)

oh i gave him all kinds of FPs, all his bullshit about feminism and gays and transgenders, in addition to the hebdo thread bullshit. fuck that guy imo. the fact that there is a decent thread to be salvaged here has nothing to do with that dork and everything to do with the generosity of ILX to share interesting thoughts on shit

Tanuki-gate aside ... I identify with a lot of what UMS wrote, age and experience-wise. With the added thought that for a white kid who grew up in the '80s loving '70s punk, PE in particular was the first thing that felt like my own personal punk rock. I mean, I loved the Replacements and Husker Du and whatever, but PE was a comfort-zone challenge that those bands weren't. And then De La and Tribe and so forth were the warm fuzzy reassurance that this could be a musical space for everybody. (i.e. weirdos of all colors seemed welcome)

That said, it is hard to separate music from its time and place for some kind of better then/worse now comparison. LOTS of things were different in 1988 or 1994. One thing I like about SremmLife is that it sounds perfectly 2015 to me. (And it's certainly no sillier than Sex Packets, which I also love.)

idk why ppl were convinced he was a sock rather than a run-of-the-mill idiot but even if he was, that was the kind of sockery where someone reveals what they really feel anyway

Didn't know anything about the guy previously but his post on Hebdo thread made me fear for his mental health.

Jesus christ, I was wondering why this thread had so many replies!

What a colossal dick!

yeah I cosign m@tt's experience for the most part, although I would add that rap was something that was just around/of interest for basically as long as I can remember - from Rapper's Delight through the Def Jam era to Boyz n the Hood, and when the "golden era" hit it was just this crazy opening up of black voices, narratives, ideas, histories for me, it was like a very sudden expansion. A natural extension that coincided with my own growing up. It was a gateway thing, which, in the pre-internet era was pretty amazing. There's no point in trying to replicate or reproduce that unique set of circumstances, but I have a fondness for it, it def changed how I thought about and heard things.

xp

idk why ppl were convinced he was a sock rather than a run-of-the-mill idiot but even if he was, that was the kind of sockery where someone reveals what they really feel anyway

― lex pretend, Friday, January 9, 2015 12:47 PM (6 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

otm

my understanding is that RT pulled down over 80FPs so the system works.

Just some dumb british "real hip hop" kid. It's unlikely he's even listened to likes Future/Chief Keef/Young Thug/Migos to even have the ability to comprehend the sociopolitical statements their music makes without the overt lame 5th grade Dead Prez crap, let alone be able to anyway being a Brit.

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