ILX Gonna Shine in My Backdoor Someday (new post-Fahey folk for ppl posting in Takoma/Tompkins Square threads Pt II)

Nice! I imagine that this record will be pretty close to the Gunn/Pickers Natch stuff, and if so I am gonna be happy indeed.

pearls from the river is close to a jack rose album but ayahuasca is much 'heavier'/hard drone, love them both though

another good player apparently living in the same city as me & global! followed me on soundcloud and i followed back, v stately i like this

http://soundcloud.com/marcus_eads/snowsquall

yes those pelt albums are perfect music. i find them so deeply spiritual. i think i am gonna burn some incense tonight and put on ayahuasca, lol, light some candles! my son's asleep and my wife's at work. i need that right now. you really do need a quiet house for this kind of droney stuff, or else a good long walk.

i had this amazing commute to work when i first got into all this post-fahey stuff. rose, pelt, basho-junghans. it was this perfect 30 minute walk along a reservoir, in the middle of winter everything would freeze over and it was so perfect to put on these sparse reflective drones and take a good walk.

where to start w/pelt?

you could jump right in w/ ayahuasca, but as mentioned above i did find pearls from the river an easier entry point. you listen to a ton of this kind of music though so ayahuasca might not seem overwhelming to you.

you know who i have really been digging and find a wonderful complement to 'pearls from the river' and other pelt (and no doubt a major inspiration for those albums)? zia mohuiddin dagar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zia_Mohiuddin_Dagar

cool thx marcos

only have empty bell ringing in the sky but it's very awesome and droney! ashamed to say the one time i saw a jack rose lp in a shop i didn't pick it up, think it was kensington blues (regrets)

you know who i have really been digging and find a wonderful complement to 'pearls from the river' and other pelt (and no doubt a major inspiration for those albums)? zia mohuiddin dagar http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zia_Mohiuddin_Dagar

― marcos, Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:38 PM (2 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

second this recommendation, enthusiastically.

Yeah! Any recorded material from the Dagar family is a must. The entire dhrupad facet of raga playing is probably the most referenced style in the experimental community. Slow, loooong alaps, really great stuff.

^^ yeah think someone (musta been marcos) in previous thread recommended him and it's amazing stuff. thanks for the reminder! also something i wanna listen to when nobody is around, just turn it up and zone out kinda

Slow, loooong alaps
this sounds very appealing but what does it mean? real q.

If you want to know what alaap means, not only will the glossary offer a simple definition, it will also play a little something for you.
INDIA TODAY (1997)

(that's the best thing my google-fu could conjur, i think it's just a word for an instrumental indian classical piece?)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alap

complicated! but basically:

the opening section of a typical North Indian classical performance. It is a form of melodic improvisation that introduces and develops a raga.

and yes i definitely feel like those zia mohuiddin dagar ragas just develop so wonderfully slowly

Could be a great thread focused on music that shows this influence. As Neal astutely points out: "The entire dhrupad facet of raga playing is probably the most referenced style in the experimental community". There are whole bands who kind of sit in that territory for large chunks of time, Pelt certainly being one of them.

ILX Nu-Raga 2015

are we talking about the kidn of thing that's happening on pelt's road to catawba?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5GS9dule1o

aw shit sorry for the embed...

No big deal, and yeah, that whole searching lead-up thing is pretty much it.

how do you just post a youtube link again? i thought having the s in the https did it ...?

haha i know i feel like it took be so long to figure out how to embed but now i just want to link and i can't remember how to do it

Hit the "Show Formatting Help" link below, but you can simply bookend the links with ... to provide them directly.

Hah! It didn't display the text/code, just the ellipsis representing "content", sorry. There are url tags that allow you to post a linkable url in the text, so yeah, hit the "Show Formatting Help" link and it'll show you the options.

you can also test yr posts out over on the HTML Playground board, or here:

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Nathan Bowles live on WTJU right now (with Elisa Ambrogio as well). Show will be archived for a couple weeks but tune in now if you can:

http://www.wtju.net/

thx for the heads up. tuning in...

Man, so psyched for the Elisa/Nathan/Chris Forsyth & Solar Motel Band show tonight. Holy crap.

have fun, totally jealous

Oh man, should be a blast. Hopefully my taping buddy will be there with his A+ game in tow!

ohh yes please

I will report back and try to get the relevant parties to pony up any recordings if they happen, there is a pretty high probability it'll happen.

u wouldn't happen to have a recording of the Michael Hurley show at Twisted Branch, would you? it was a while ago...

Nah, I do not. When was it? It is possible my buddy was there, but the only Hurley I remember was in like 1999 at The Prism. I must have been out of town (or living somewhere else) when that happened. I can check with my buddy though.

thanks! always looking for Hurley boots

fyi on embedding

HTTP: will embed video
HTTPS: will embed video

WWW (without http): will not embed video
NO URL PREFIX AT ALL (youtube.com/x): will not embed video

Based on some testing I did a few weeks back, these were the results. Best bet for me was to not any reference http(s) at all.

Sorry that I slept on those responses, gonna head back to the raga talk real quick --

Sleeve got it down in regards to what the alap of a raga is. The improvised 'intro' that is explored before to the performer heads into the 'composed' section of the piece. I put composed in quotes bc the latter half of a raga is still a variation of improvisation. An alap is much more clear in instrumental pieces. If percussion is used, the alap ends when the tabla starts to kick in. Dhrupad is all vocal, and is known for being incredibly slow. So slow that it was kinda lauded. Which I didn't see until reading that ZM Dagar wiki marcos posted above. ZM's son said "Dhrupad? Who'll listen? Rudra veena? Play something else. Long alaaps? So boring!"

The Dagar family's alap performances feel pretty monochromatic, there isn't tons of drastic changes in pitch. Slightly down a half note, slight up a half note, over and over. There's a couple instances where Jack Rose references loving the Dagar's, so that style of raga seems particularly influential to the direction of Pelt and similar groups.

There is quite a variation in how ragas are played, I didn't really discover the Dagar type stuff until after listening to Ali Akbar Khan and similar instrumental performers. I uploaded to YouTube a Dagar alap from this really great comprehensive overview of 1950's classical Indian music. This 3LP boxset that is apparently the first official release to reach serious western audiences, was first put out in 1955.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=unpzOat1JsA
The rest of the boxset is here:
http://broadcastsfrompoorfarm.tumblr.com/post/32723337445

Oh wait :)
I thought "to laud" meant to disapprove of.

That's very informative and thorough -- thank you!!

Defiantly, I by no means know much beyond the basics, but all it takes is a person who can slowing introduce the components of a raga and anyone should be able to understand. They say most beginners start out with the raga called yaman, it's a good introductory raga. IE Jack Rose's "Yaman Blues"

This English guy here that I found on youtube is really good at communicating the intentions of playing raga yaman for guitar; clear and subdued.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUBvPtCSMI0

Promo vid for Seasonal Hire is sounding hot, I can't wait for this.

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Even though the press release warns us about the changes I really didn't expect this to sound like that. Tbh I'm not 100% ruling out the possibility that I'm listening to someone else's album.

yah i don't know how to feel about that

one good thing about this type of music (this thread's type of music) is man, writing lyrics is tough, or writing good lyrics is tough

Yeah, writing lyrics is definitely not in the cards for everyone. Gunn pretty impressive in how well he incorporated them.

Show last night was great. Gotta say the highlight for me was Nathan Bowles, his stuff from the new record all translated incredibly well live (much of which I had heard him nail before) and the final track on the record was so transportive I started grinning goofily at the majesty of it. Primo stuff. The song Tom Carter joins in with on the record was augmented by Elisa live, which was very cool. I imagne as the tour goes on that song will continue to expand and get pretty righteous.

Elisa was really good, but this was the first show of the tour and I think she is still figuring out how to inhabit the songs live a bit. Nathan played drums on pretty much all of them, but the songs themselves were pretty straight, not much of the usual Elisa/Magik Markers style guitar throwdowns, but nice to hear the songs work as songs. I imagine her sets will open up a bit down the line as well, as they are touring together for 3 weeks. Would definitely like to see where they end up by the end of the tour.

Forsyth and band were really good, started off super hot then maintained a pretty good energy throughout. "Ballad of Free Hollow" and "Intensity Ghost" both highlights, but the "Calvary Cross" cover probably was my favorite moment. The new guitarist fit right in and played some cool stuff (definitely more varied rhythm work, taking the jams in some new territories), but for some reason I still miss the Paul touch, he and Chris had really complimentary styles. Nick was definitely a good foil though, I am sure they are gonna be a good tandem too. The rhythm section was super good throughout, really is a pleasure seeing them play. Peter Kerlin especially played some really amazing passages, might be my favorite part of the band.

All of these sets were recorded, but not sure when I'll get em or how well the recordings will come out. We'll see.

thx for the report! dug hearing bowles and ambrogio play together on the radio together, an interesting combo for sure.
and yeah as you know, i hope a tape surfaces....
more 2015 steve gunn news -- a split LP on three lobed w/ kurt vile
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B62P2xqCYAA-OgH.jpg

me & global's show w/paul metzger is tonight! pretty excited, have practiced to the all-important point of being totally sick of all my songs

Hah, good luck man! Wish I could make that.