Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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Er also that's not her name, but maybe you know that.

JimD, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link

anita soulseekian

emil.y, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:13 (nine years ago) link

No. ☃

valleys of your mind (mh), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:16 (nine years ago) link

Oh, holy crap. Whoops!

how's life, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:18 (nine years ago) link

he is as good a commenter as speaker if u were wondering

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

Their site is irrellevent as I am talking about their magazine articles kid, and their website has more contributors that they take less care into what is and what isn't published as appose to the magazine where they limit the content down to defending her only and pushing her censor ship on to the consumers.

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

SEXIST PROPERGANDER

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 17:39 (nine years ago) link

that guy made a game called Bus Driver 2d Experience Rush

wwhy shrek is piss (am0n), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:19 (nine years ago) link

https://www.scirra.com/store/games/bus-driver-2d-experience-rush-278

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wwhy shrek is piss (am0n), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:20 (nine years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhJU6BkVmMo

wwhy shrek is piss (am0n), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:21 (nine years ago) link

that is too good to be true

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:46 (nine years ago) link

the sounds. the sounds.

goole, Tuesday, 6 January 2015 18:50 (nine years ago) link

In October, though, Intel unwittingly became a villain in a controversy over the treatment of women in gaming, which has come to be known as GamerGate. A loose-knit brigade of Internet users lobbied the company to pull an advertising campaign on the game website Gamasutra because it had run an essay attacking the male dominance of games culture.

Intel, which was caught off guard by the ensuing controversy over its actions, eventually resumed advertising on the site. Mr. Krzanich said he used the incident as an opportunity to think more deeply about the broader issue of diversity in the tech industry. The issue resonated with him personally.

“I have two daughters of my own coming up on college age,” he said. “I want them to have a world that’s got equal opportunity for them.”

As part of its new investment fund, Intel plans to establish and support a professional women’s gaming team. It has partnered with the International Game Developers Association, a nonprofit that will send 20 female college students to a game developer conference with Intel’s support. The association wants to double the number of women working in the games industry over the next decade, according to Kate Edwards, its executive director.

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 07:15 (nine years ago) link

Intel has budgeted $300m to increase diversity in the tech sector, at least partially in response to gg. http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/07/technology/intel-budgets-300-million-for-diversity.html?_r=0

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 07:17 (nine years ago) link

Intel plans to engage with several partners in the industry to support, enhance or create new programs for this initiative, including the International Game Developers Association*, the E-Sports League*, the National Center for Women in Technology*, the CyberSmile Foundation*, the Feminist Frequency*

lol

bizarro gazzara, Wednesday, 7 January 2015 07:20 (nine years ago) link

lol nice backfire result gg

I checked Snoops , and it is for real (Trayce), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 08:46 (nine years ago) link

ff v gg fight!

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 08:56 (nine years ago) link

I am sure they will spin this into a win somehow

valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 15:34 (nine years ago) link

I dig Intel's announcement, but knowing their history, I wonder how much somebody there will try to use this to boost their efforts lobbying for increased H1-B visas so they can hire foreign workers at far cheaper wages.

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:33 (nine years ago) link

lol yeah

valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 18:58 (nine years ago) link

I keep hearing there isn't so much gender divide in Indian CS classes, so...

(also whenever people are all "women not doing comp sci is a cultural thing only affecting the US" I think "huh maybe I imagined it because of reading too many US websites" and then I remember that there were three women in my year (UK, graduating at the bottom of the dotcom crash), and I don't think I even met one of the other two)

club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 21:00 (nine years ago) link

yeah whenever people claim that, look around and count heads and then draw your own conclusions

valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 21:45 (nine years ago) link

Prior to 2014, the gender divide of people I've directly worked with who were from India was very close to 50/50 (7 men, 6 women). In 2014, we started working with a team in Bangalore that is made up of 7 men, plus of our new hires the split was something like 1 woman, 6 men (there was a second woman who is a recent hire who is Chinese).

It's very odd; I feel like the genderwise we hired a ton of women in 2000-2009 and in the past five years across nationalities it's been primarily men.

the farakhan of gg (DJP), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 21:53 (nine years ago) link

xp Well I mean UK/US are obv p culturally similar so I'm def not saying it's not an uh only-Western-anglophone problem or w/e, and I'm totally happy to believe my Indian coworkers (among other sources) that it's not so bad there

but it's definitely wider than just the US, at any rate

club mate martyr (a passing spacecadet), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:02 (nine years ago) link

Someone once told me that the US had gone from over 30% of computer science graduates being women to under 15% over the course of thirty years and India had gone from under 15% to over 30% in fifteen years but idk how accurate that is.

I seem to recall that Iran is one of the countries with the closest gender parity in CS grads Not sure why.

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:06 (nine years ago) link

http://nces.ed.gov/programs/digest/d12/tables/dt12_349.asp

here's the US for you, although CS degrees obviously do not directly correspond to people working in tech

valleys of your mind (mh), Wednesday, 7 January 2015 22:11 (nine years ago) link

http://i.imgur.com/z5Jl6pi.jpg

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:09 (nine years ago) link

Eurgh/lol

The Understated Twee Hotel On A Mountain (silby), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:15 (nine years ago) link

ask a booty bay attacker

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:21 (nine years ago) link

i've seen that sentiment so many times in this whole mess, and it's ridiculous. give me a break. gaming is easy. you sit on your ass and push buttons. the ambiguity and risk of life is reduced to nothing. states of failure and success are clearly delineated and the paths to each are obvious and easily discoverable. it's barely a hobby. games are fun, intense, hour-draining fun, and are very well designed to be so. that's the best you can say about them. but they are finite experiences. you can't do anything you're not allowed to do by the game's creators. the worst you can say is the hours you've spent should have been spent otherwise, doing something creative or useful or self-bettering. the best approximation of struggle they offer is, as that dim jpg implies, is the frustration of repetition. or getting your ass handed to you in mp by some kid who puts more ass-time in than you. don't even begin to talk about "bravery" in gaming, which would require some risk and sacrifice in-the-world. you are sitting on your ass pushing buttons.

goole, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:29 (nine years ago) link

frankly #gamergate has had some real effect: it's made me like gaming less

goole, Friday, 9 January 2015 22:31 (nine years ago) link

^

shmup....smug....shmub....shmug.... (forksclovetofu), Friday, 9 January 2015 22:35 (nine years ago) link

same

polyphonic, Saturday, 10 January 2015 03:07 (nine years ago) link

Nah, fuck that, that's the GG line, that Depression Quest and Gone Home aren't really games because they're not fun shooty-corridors. The games that GG love may have misshapen them in this way, but that's not nearly all of gaming.

Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 10 January 2015 15:31 (nine years ago) link

Luckily they can ignore Intel as it's such a small player in the gaming industry.

©Oz Quiz© (Adam Bruneau), Saturday, 10 January 2015 16:14 (nine years ago) link

theres something kind of heartbreaking about the 'we are indomitable, we play video games' line of thinking and that thing is that its terribly, hopelessly untrue

wizaerd (Lamp), Saturday, 10 January 2015 17:20 (nine years ago) link

that's not nearly all of gaming.

I play way more of that stuff than I do stuff like Depression Quest though.

polyphonic, Saturday, 10 January 2015 18:22 (nine years ago) link

That sentiment expressed in that graphic upthread you find elsewhere, like with conservative American evangelical groups who are either victimized by modernity or who are losing at life or both. It's not just the bucking-ourselves-up talk, the self-consultation, but it's that coming from segments of society who are horrible or sad or horribly sad due to the shit they do and are shocked by the response their dumb shit gets.

It's the clueless patheticness of it; that they're taking non-accomplishments and treating them like they actually make a critical difference in someone else's life. So you fed 100 at-risk families for a year? Well guess what I got every Ultima weapon in FFX and it only took me three months to do!

It's like they're not just losers, but there's a victim aspect to it, too. Shitty upbringing or shitty life situations led them to this sorry fate.

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Sunday, 11 January 2015 21:02 (nine years ago) link

anyway this horse bolted in 1982 with release of Ms.Pacman imo

wat if lermontov hero of are time modern day (Bananaman Begins), Monday, 12 January 2015 11:17 (nine years ago) link

original gg

Ratt in Mi Kitchen (Neil S), Monday, 12 January 2015 11:32 (nine years ago) link

actually it's about bows on the foreheads of hungry tennis balls

Rallsballs@onelist.com (stevie), Monday, 12 January 2015 11:33 (nine years ago) link

It's the clueless patheticness of it; that they're taking non-accomplishments and treating them like they actually make a critical difference in someone else's life. So you fed 100 at-risk families for a year? Well guess what I got every Ultima weapon in FFX and it only took me three months to do!

this is the heart of this whole thing, isn't it? gaming and gaming-culture as alternative route to self-esteem in capitalist/consumer culture, except it's especially devious because it's not an alternative to the dominant culture so much as within, a funhouse mirror virtual reality version or exaggeration of the very culture that degrades them as nerds or whatever. so they get to be misunderstood and outcast while at the same time espousing the most cartoonish bigotry and materialism. it's as if gaming culture takes the outcasts and efficiently funnels them back into the worst of the mainstream.

ryan, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 00:31 (nine years ago) link

No matter what has been done to you, you’re really the one on trial when you’re fighting for your right to not live under constant threats and harassment. You’ve gained a superpower without even realizing it - you’ve become un-abusable. It’s impossible to these people that anything real could ever happen to you, because they’re coming from a starting point of flat-out ignoring or denying anything that could challenge that view, so every bit of privacy of yours that they inject themselves into is only there to continue pushing that notion. You could save a box of kittens from a burning building and the scandal the next day would be that you must hate dogs. Even if you keep your head down, even if you try to be “the perfect victim” and never instigate things, never fight back outside of legal channels, never let your humanity peek through and react with justifiable anger or hurt, it doesn’t matter. Everything you say can and will be used against you, period. End of story.

zoe quinn's written about the nightmarish shit she's been facing for the last five months on her blog: http://ohdeargodbees.tumblr.com/post/107838639074/august-never-ends

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 11:05 (nine years ago) link

ha ha ha

https://twitter.com/infinitechan/status/554793061788557312

goole, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:58 (nine years ago) link

internet bs indeed

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 15:59 (nine years ago) link

omg that is wonderful

Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:01 (nine years ago) link

... why are there two different pandas

Let me help you out Charlie XCX fan (DJP), Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:10 (nine years ago) link

DIVERSITY

bizarro gazzara, Tuesday, 13 January 2015 16:12 (nine years ago) link


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