Azealia Banks

eh that happened concurrently

i used to think this but i have come around to the thinking that argues it is in fact her uncomfortable delivery which is the appeal of this artist

i agree - my favourite iggy song has always been "murda bizness" and the affect on her twang is ridiculous there, but it's also the most distinctive and best aspect of the track. by comparison both her accent and her lines on "fancy" are pretty whatever - i disagree that it's all about the hook, though charli xcx stanning baffles me in general i guess. i had no idea she was half-indian til today!

re: iggy's accent, i did note the crossover between US critics who were outraged at her mimicry and those who, back in the mockney days of lily allen's debut, were all "oh we don't see the problem why are you britishers always obsessed with class".

do u think iggy would have happened in the same way had she been an actual american blonde white girl?

serious question: do you think the fans who made it a smash know she's Australian?

gwen stefani's new material just sounds like she can't be arsed

eh that happened concurrently

― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, December 29, 2014 6:42 PM (3 minutes ago) Bookmark

it most certainly did not

xp i've no idea who iggy fans even are. like, obviously there are "fancy" fans who just hear and enjoy a good pop song, but i can't imagine why you'd go beyond that and stan for her. i think it's likely that we'll look back at iggy ruling 2014 and go "wtf was that all about" sooner rather than later

At SOBs that night, there was a line down the block, and the bouncers outside were turning people away at the door. The crowd was racially diverse but predominantly female, and there were certainly more white girls than you'd see at your average rap show. Some of them proudly proclaimed that they were "Azaleans," a title reserved for Iggy's most dedicated fans. Angel Haze, one of the most talented female rappers who is not a white Australian out right now, was in the crowd with a friend.

http://gawker.com/5916913/all-the-girls-standing-in-the-line-for-the-rap-show-iggy-azaleas-sudden-rise

https://twitter.com/AZEALIABANKS/status/561989991350673408

what a piece of shit

out of artists whose music i appreciate, i probably hate her social media presence the most.

ok that's probably not true.

Why do people take such pleasure in pointing out the fact that she's an asshole? There's many of them out there saying equally appalling things every day. Why is Azealia so compelling?

i mean, she has half a million followers and tweets things that are obnoxious at best (and usually more than just obnoxious) on a daily basis. it's gonna be a recurring topic, it's not just people fixating on something that happened one time years ago.

pretty embarrassed for a vice managing editor to behave like that as well

The white gay dude who came after her with some complete bullshit for asking a question about the intersection of race and gay identity while erasing her own queerness is the asshole here.

Gotta agree with Slappy here. I mean, she's an ignorant asshole who has been consistent in her homophobic, transphobic, rape apologist statements. Why anyone feels the need to remind us of her latest fucked up twitter comment on a weekly basis is baffling.

Also, is it really all that surprising for a VICE editor to behave like that?

She retweeted “white gays have no culture only appropriation” :(

Also, is it really all that surprising for a VICE editor to behave like that?

― Greer, Monday, February 2, 2015 4:45 PM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

ime most journalists, certainly staff ones, don't engage in bitchy fan forum level back-and-forths with artists on twitter and it's more on-brand for a vice employee to maintain supercilious detachment

She retweeted “white gays have no culture only appropriation” :(

― Vasco da Gama, Monday, February 2, 2015 10:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how is this not a legitimate thing for her to express (or even express agreement with) as a queer woman of color?

also it should be abundantly evident that most aspects of gay culture, especially the hip slang that even heteros and mainstream media have started using in the past couple of years, have been appropriated from queer people of color

I guess the bummer here is just that a totally justified critique (white gay men need to check themselves re: appropriation of POC) is getting overstated (NO culture? NO culture . . . at all? really?)

I mean, it would be super cliché for some butthurt gay white guy to start rattling off famous canonical names in order to populate some kind of "real white gay men" culture list, right? we don't need to namedrop Plato Marlowe Proust Caravaggio Michelangelo Ludwig Wittgenstein Alan Turing Tennessee Williams Jean Genet Rainier Werner Fassbinder John Cage Jasper Johns Andy Warhol Jack Spicer Frank O'Hara John Ashbery yadda yadda in order to indicate that uh yeah there are/were white gay men who did something other than approriate POC slang and that in fact quite a lot of Culture with a capital C *is* white gay male culture, right? Because such flag-waving, especially when routed through the claiming of race, ought to make us barf. It makes me barf that I just bothered to write that list out, frankly. But then if someone is going to say "gay white men have no culture" and allege that the ONLY thing said people do is appropriate, then that very overstatement is rather pathetically easy to shoot down

- but a mere RT is not worth getting to twisted about, honestly.

ao twisted about, rather

oh man :\ http://www.vice.com/en_uk/read/i-am-a-victim-of-azealia-bankss-homophobia-567

azealia banks is fucking with people and trying to be provocative

azealia banks varg vikernes is fucking with people and trying to be provocative

azealia banks varg vikernes is fucking with people and trying to be provocative

I can't spell either of them.

there should be a Godwin's Law for Burzum on ILM

― contenderoni (some dude), Wednesday, May 11, 2011 8:30 PM (3 years ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

lol

believing she had the right to appropriate gay terminology

A thing I've noticed gay men routinely doing is making "gay culture" synonymous with "gay male culture" in this way that is deliberately exclusionary of queer women. So this notion of Banks, a black queer woman, as some kind of appropriating outsider to gay culture that needs to be put in her proper place by Mitchell Sunderland, this gay white dude is some grade-A trash.

I think we can equate Azealia Banks to Varg when she eventually murders a collaborator; right now it just seems premature

I like your use of "when" rather than "if."

hope i'm not being too much of a cisyboy if i say that spitting 'fatherless' like that seems in some ways nastier and more depressingly normative than her being a dumb self-clowning loudmouth sportsbro about her gender patting her pussy at people

bleagh not even gonna bother clicking the vice piece

She retweeted “white gays have no culture only appropriation” :(

― Vasco da Gama, Monday, February 2, 2015 10:23 AM (1 hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

how is this not a legitimate thing for her to express (or even express agreement with) as a queer woman of color?

also it should be abundantly evident that most aspects of gay culture, especially the hip slang that even heteros and mainstream media have started using in the past couple of years, have been appropriated from queer people of color

― dyl, lunes 2 de febrero de 2015 20:34 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Not going to delve too much into it since the last time I was about to get permabanned but I think Americans love to segment way too much and all the political correctness only serves as a reminder that there are people different to you.

If you're a black gay woman you are allowed to discuss black + gay + woman issues despite how much hate or controversy there's behind your words? I think everyone should be allowed to discuss and use whatever words they like as long as they're not being used in a negative matter. Azealia Banks is being hateful it doesn't matter what color or sexual preference she has and it will never matter to me. You Americans can continue seeing who is making the comment before dissecting the comment.

moka 100% otm

huh, i don't think so

i like azealia banks but things she says are offensive. i don't get why people would want to tie themselves into knots to "not" be offended, especially because her goal is ultimately, at some level, to provoke people. if she wanted to make a principled critique of appropriation or whatever she would have said that instead, she's not an idiot. choosing to not be offended, or to explain away her statements, is almost like saying her voice could not possibly have any power.

Who exactly is tying themselves into knots to not be offended? Her statement was offensive and also the particular way this dude chose to critique her statement was dumb. Azealia is hateful and Mitchell is an idiot.

Also I adamantly refuse to take seriously anyone who uses "political correctness" in 2015 without a hint of irony.

Who exactly is tying themselves into knots to not be offended?

dyl

she's not an idiot

well...

choosing to not be offended, or to explain away her statements, is almost like saying her voice could not possibly have any power.

This a gigantic logical fallacy. A person could not be offended because they agree with her, or because they are viewing her statements as an understandable overreaction to persistent racist attacks, such as when Lily Allen tweeted a picture of her boyfriend's penis decorated like a golliwog and said it was a picture of Azealia Banks, which then was defended by Allen fans/Banks detractors as a) not being racist, and b) not looking like a golliwog. None of these imply that Banks' voice has no power, including thinking she's an idiot.

anyone is allowed to discuss any issues regardless of how hateful, prejudiced or negative the language is. it's great if you legitimately think that the race/gender/sexuality of the person speaking the words has no bearing on how you will judge them or respond, but that would make you different from 99.99999% of basically everyone living in the modern world where those factors so clearly define the cards you're dealt in life and how other people interact with you.

as a white queer man in america, i might feel disappointed that a black queer woman is directing so much anger toward people like me, but it wouldn't hurt me in the same way that a heterosexual directing vitriol at me for being gay does. azealia banks pointing out that the white queer men dominating gay culture and visibility have appropriated much of their trendy styles and practices from queer communities of color is essentially correct, even if she puts it in such a blunt and clumsy manner suggesting that white gay men have no culture at all or w/e. i can set aside my tiny urge to be all "well actually here's one white gay dude who contributed something original to gay culture maybe" because her criticism doesn't perpetuate harmful and culturally pervasive ideas about white people or men the same way a homophobic stranger calling me a wimpy faggot normalizes all the bullshit i've had to go through for my whole life for being gay.

tl;dr i think ppl who believe that they are blind to race/gender/sexuality etc when they evaluate who is saying what are lying to themselves, and i believe that being aware of these things is actually essential to fighting pervasive + socially sanctioned prejudices based on gender/race/sexuality/class/etc

i guess some of u will read the above as my way of tying myself into knots to not be offended but really i just see it as the best explanation i can muster as to why azealia's words don't make my heart race and ruin my day the way anti-gay rhetoric can and often does

dyl otm

her criticism doesn't perpetuate harmful and culturally pervasive ideas about white people or men

it perpetuates harmful and culturally pervasive ideas about gay people - white and non-white - in a really hateful way, and she's been pretty consistent about this.

Her statement was offensive and also the particular way this dude chose to critique her statement was dumb. Azealia is hateful and Mitchell is an idiot.

Also I adamantly refuse to take seriously anyone who uses "political correctness" in 2015 without a hint of irony.

― Greer, Tuesday, February 3, 2015 7:47 PM (23 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

^^all that needs to be said really. anyone who thought elevating banks as a totem of social justice was never going to have it work out well

agreed w/ djp above, you put it so much better than i did but i didn't see until now

lex she definitely has said some really offensive shit about gay people that i can't defend. i actually haven't read the other stuff going on between her and this vice editor bc i don't think it needs any more attention, just trying to explain why i am not rly mad about her retweeting that white gays don't have culture

and lol obv she is not exactly a beacon of social justice wisdom

I am that young sis the beacon...I guess dat cunt gettin eaten! I guess dat cunt gettin eaten!

lol :D

We live in anonymous times, context of who is saying what is being blurred each day. We know Azealia is a black, bisexual, woman but she could very well be a faceless stranger on the internet.

An offensive comment should be offensive wherever it comes from, no-one should be allowed a free-pass for context. You can be a japanese gay man or a hispanic girl and I'll be offended likewise if you call me a spic bitch with the intention to offend me. I also don't see the point in using the term at all but according to ILM's slur reappropriation rules I can use the term freely no matter how offensive it is because I'm culturally-entitled to. That's bullshit to me but again, I don't live in the US where you have to overthink how to offend someone.

And then, I'm not a white gay man and the posters on ilm will be fast to remind me this is not my fight. I'm not putting on a cape, it's just that her comments begin to ruin her music for me and it'll be inevitable when it stars permeating her future lyrics.