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"You go disco and I'll go funkadelic man."

^_^

yeah, what was I thinking about the Makers, must be all the crap (but free!) beer embibed during the Schmidt/Batista pitching duel last night.

"Indie as a genre" is soooooooooooooooooooo ILM... *yawn*

http://gygax.pitas.com, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

1996? What about: Nels Cline Trio "Chest", Ellery Eskelin "One Great Day" and "The Sun Died", John Zorn "Bar Kokhba".

o. nate, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Unwound's Repetition was released in 1996. Pretty excellent-- if not their best, it is their most succesful combination of energy and experimentation (which bogged them down on later records).

There's no such thing as a bad year for music, by the way, but there are (many) bad years for particular trends and genres. Basically, bad ideas spread like germs--some people are immune or just aren't exposed to these.

Diego, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

cujo. 96. oh yeah.

dyson, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

THEORY: 1986 is a metric kilofuckload worse than 1996 (Raising Hell and "Word Up" notwithstanding). DISCUSS

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Some of my '96 faves: Porter Ricks - Biokinetics
DJ Shadow - Endtroudcing
Swans - Soundtracks for the Blind
Scenic - Aquatica
Paperclip People - The Secret Tapes of Dr. Eich
Baader Meinhof - Baader Meinhof
Basic Channel - Basic Channel
Boards of Canada - Hi Scores
Cocteau Twins - Milk and Kisses
Goya Dress - Rooms

Andy K, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

My favourite albums from 1996 are:

Experiment Zero - Man or Astro-man? and
Pinkerton - Weezer

1995 was good coz that's the year that Mellon Collie came out, and the Sinking of the SS Danehower.

jel --, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

I hated every moment of 1996 = my fetishes and fascinations caused me shame because their last vestiges were still around = you were desperately waiting for modernity to be officially declared = two elections' worth of High Tory retirements plus the removal of hereditary peers from the House of Lards (c. 1994 JD Bradfield) have removed the echoes = they no longer hold a threat = I am relaxed = I Love 2002.

Which is a roundabout way of saying that I cannot emotionally defend anything from 1996 (got to get out = got to start another life = this has to end = IT HAS = 2002 RoXoR) even though logically I know some of it is good.

(I wuv Emperor Tomato Ketchup = will never play it again = "Let Me Blow Ya Mind" RoXoR)

I wuved Gorky's Zygotic Mynci in 1996 = their fascinations caused me shame because the vestiges were still around = now they're gone so I could wuv them without shame, if I still wuved them, which I don't

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Or "yes it's fucking political, everything's political" as one of that year's worst bands put it ...

(hey I liked the Brotherhood in 1996 = bought one of their singles in Dorchester when SIR JAMES SPICER was still the local MP = bloody hell he'd have had me sent to a year's hard farm labour for that ha ha chiz chiz)

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Singles list from '96 Pazz & Jop proves 96 was GRATE:

Singles

1. Quad City DJs: "C'mon N' Ride It (The Train)" (Atlantic/Big Beat) 34
2. Beck: "Where It's At" (DGC) 31
Smashing Pumpkins: "1979" (Elektra) 31
4. Oasis: "Wonderwall" (Epic) 30 *
Pulp: "Common People" (Island) 30 *
6. Busta Rhymes: "Woo Hah!! Got You All in Check" (Elektra) 24
7. The Chemical Brothers: "Setting Sun" (Astralwerks) 21
8. Beck: "Devils Haircut" (DGC) 20
Blackstreet: "No Diggity" (Interscope) 20
Primitive Radio Gods: "Standing Outside a Broken Phone Booth With Money in My Hand" (Ergo/Columbia) 20
11. Tupac & Dr. Dre: "California Love" (Death Row/Interscope) 18
12. Butthole Surfers: "Pepper" (Capitol) 17
13. Everclear: "Santa Monica" (Capitol) 16 *
Fugees: "Ready or Not" (Ruffhouse/Columbia) 16
Garbage: "Stupid Girl" (Almo Sounds) 16
Los Del Rio: "Macarena (Bayside Boys Mix)" (RCA) 16 *@
17. Sheryl Crow: "If It Makes You Happy" (A&M) 15
18. The Cardigans: "Lovefool" (Mercury) 13
Fugees: "Killing Me Softly" (Ruffhouse/Columbia) 13
20. Fugees: "Fu-Gee-La" (Ruffhouse/Columbia) 12 *
Nas: "If I Ruled the World" (Columbia) 12
Oasis: "Champagne Supernova" (Epic) 12
23. Eels: "Novocaine for the Soul" (Dreamworks) 10
Everything but the Girl: "Missing" (Atlantic) 10 *
Garbage: "Only Happy When It Rains" (Almo Sounds) 10 *
Whitney Houston: "Exhale (Shoop Shoop)" (Arista) 10 *
Rage Aginst the Machine: "Bulls on Parade" (Epic) 10
Underworld: "Born Slippy" (TVT) 10 *

*Includes 1995 votes: Oasis 21, Pulp 7, Everclear 3, Los Del Rio 2, Fugees 1, Everything but the Girl 1, Garbage 1, Houston 4, Underground 1.

@Ten voters specified this mix. The others would have if they'd thought of it.

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

no diggity and devils haircut!!

ethan, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Woo Ha, Common People, 1979!

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Also 1996 was my peak year for listening to the Beatles, mildly surprisingly

Robin Carmody, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Ah, that was the year of Trainspotting.

bnw, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

the los del rio (bay sides boy mix) of "macarena"...

http://gygax.pitas.com, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Primitive Radio Gods bring a blues sample to the charts years before moby does! And from my hometown, no less!

Sterling Clover, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Oh yes, Ye Olde Pinketron! I am biased insofar as in 1996 I had just moved to Chicago and started buying loads of music I didn't previously have available to me: I was listening to indie and indie was going through an interesting (and Chicago-friendly) transition, I (and presumably lots of other people) was just really opening up to dance and electronic music as more than a sideline to my regular listening; it was quite possibly the year that I was most interested in music and most excited about throwing myself into it. Obviously none of this defends that year's releases, and in fact a lot of the stuff I was just getting excited about went back a year or two: I think what I'm arguing was that it was an interesting and exciting year for me, musically speaking, and even in retrospect I'd argue that it really was an interesting and exciting moment in general. *

* And per Ethan's complaint YES, I DO mean this in an indie-centric way. "Electronica" was just opening up into unprecedented far-flung territories, the whole alt-rock explosion left "indie" scrambling for new territory, and the two were both colliding with these internationalist pop ideas and German, French, Brazilian, and Japanese influences and for a moment these territories were unstable and about to get pretty damned interesting.

nabisco%%, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Lamb. I look kindly upon any year that brought me Gorecki.

Fever In Fever Out as well.

chris j, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Blackstreet: "No Diggity" (Interscope)
Best single EVER made. No matter what comes next, this will stay number one.

cuba libre (nathalie), Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

did dare just use the phrase "electronica explosion"?

jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

my bad, that was nitsuh.

jess, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"electronica explosion"
KABOOM

Nate Patrin, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

you people are so Yearist

electric sound of jim, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

yeah i can never remember what year stuff happened unless i wasn't there/just read about it. i think 1996 was The Year Heroin Destroyed Our Band though, that's special.

unknown or illegal user, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

1996 was alright if you didn't like Tupac Shakur.

Curt, Wednesday, 29 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Duane - is that, being NZ, The Year Cheap-Heroin-Substitutes Destroyed Our Band? Or on tour? Spacedusted In Memphis?

dylan, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

oh it didnt really happen, it was just something i heard about from other ppl.

, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

JESS I SAID "ALT-ROCK EXPLOSION." I described electronica as "opening up into unprecedented far-flung territories."

nabisco%%, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

(Which I'm still not sure how much I can defend the latter but I would try.)

nabisco%%, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

"alt-rock" = "electronica"!

geeta, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha thank you geeta.

jess, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

did dr. dre produce no diggety or was it the head blackstreet boy, er teddy riley? i remember dre was in the video, wearing some kind of football jersey. but yeah, it's amazing.

dave k, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Riley prod'd it. Dre just "rapped" (cough, cough) a verse

M Matos, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

haha, i don't remember his actual rapping at all, just the shot of him on the beach posing before the camera moves into the party inside. also, moby sampled the piano riff in 'honey' from california love, right?

dave k, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

Best things on the radio, Auckland 1996: The Fugees (playing indie pop rap like a game of chess), the Spice Girls (pre-teen solidarity w/ partner swapping) and Darcy Clay (recorded demo, gave it the best title ever, "Jesus I Was Evil", and got it played). Does any of this cancel out Kula Shaker? Of course not.

B-Rad, Thursday, 30 May 2002 00:00 (twenty-one years ago) link

four years pass...
I was thinking the other day about how much I hated 1996 as a year for music. I only really started paying proper attention to music in 94, and yes I'm a huge advocate for Britpop (retrospectively, yes a lot of it was shite but at 15 it was all exciting!). 1996 spelled the arse-end of peak period Britpop and ushered in a bunch of bands that make my skin crawl.

Goth-Pop Revival
Garbage, Placebo, Suede - all the crap bits about Grunge but with eyeliner and men dressed in bin bags

Big Beat
A bunch of goons from Brighton making dance music out of children's cartoons is never going to be a dance revolution.

Jungle becomes Drum'n'Bass
Heralding a wave of boring loops with no energy to them at all. New Forms was a crap album, I WANT BIG BEEFY BASSLINES DAMNIT!

Britpop goes crap:
People don't remember Britpop for This Is A Low and Common People, no. People remember a bunch of soundalikes wearing waterproofs and making tuneless bilge about god knows what and Liam Gallagher flipping the bird at the camera.

Poppy Ska-Punk :
No Doubt, Reel Big Fish and that other band started it and before you knew every Hollywood High-School Prom band was fronted by a chubby goateed part-dude with a chequered tie. Queue a billion Ska-Punk covers of cheesy 80s songs.

Mitigating factors: If You're Feeling Sinister, Expecting To Fly

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Mitigating factors: If You're Feeling Sinister, Expecting To Fly

LOLOLOLOLOL

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Is this an attempt to make Louis Jagger feel more at home?

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Friday, 28 July 2006 09:59 (seventeen years ago) link

coulda sworn 'sinister' was '97 anyway...

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:01 (seventeen years ago) link

Born Slippy didn't come out in 1996, I definitely remember buying some compilation which had it in 1995. But it was popularized by Trainspotting in 1996.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:03 (seventeen years ago) link

ah 'sinister' was late '96.

fair point tuomas but to all intents and porpoises, 'born slippy' fkn DEFINED '96.

Roughage Crew (Enrique), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:05 (seventeen years ago) link

Anyway, to defend 1996, one of the best rap LPs of the nineties came out then:

http://www.cdquest.com/images/album_art/sorted/0049/9250/0049925053227.jpg

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I forgot also - Presidents Of The USA and Steve Lamacq coming out as music's biggest bilge-shoveller.

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:09 (seventeen years ago) link

even the Boo Radleys released a slightly weaker album, C'Mon Kids (which I still like but it's not THAT good). It just seems like everything that was popular in 1996 has aged really really badly. Fun Lovin' Criminals etc... Whereas lots things from 1994 (Parklife, Music For A Jilted Generation, SAWII), 95 (Supergrass, Common People) 97 (OK Computer and loads of other stuff) are still classic.

Shit, is OK Computer really 9 years old?!!

wogan lenin (dog latin), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

1996 was when techstep broke through, right? For a while it felt like the future.

Tuomas (Tuomas), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:13 (seventeen years ago) link

You people are crazy! 1996 gave us:

Mogwai - "Tuner" and "Summer"
Ween - 12 Golden Country Greats
Scooter - Wicked
White Town - "Your Woman"
Air - "Modulor Mix"
Robert Miles - "Children"
DJ Trace - "Mutant Revisited"
The Cardigans - "Lovefool"
Sneaker Pimps - "Spin Spin Sugar (Armand's Dark Garage Mix)"
Disco Inferno - Technicolour

"defend 2006" would be a better thread.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:32 (seventeen years ago) link

people who think this year sucked suck

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:40 (seventeen years ago) link

WHAT ABOUT THE BLUESTONES

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Also 1996 brought us OMC and you can't diss that.

1997 was a far worse year for music and almost put me off all recorded sound forever.

ESTEBAN BUTTEZ The Unstoppable Troll Machine (ESTEBAN BUTTEZ~!!!), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:46 (seventeen years ago) link

just think of all those people reading this revived thread now, groaning and saying about how it should be locked/deleted.

Konal Doddz (blueski), Friday, 28 July 2006 10:48 (seventeen years ago) link


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