Shoegazer Revival - S/D

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And while it's not shoegaze and they never have been per se, the new Church album is still required. Goddamn these guys are still great.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 02:46 (twenty years ago) link

i'm a fan of the pluramon and joy zipper records. pluramon's nice and crunchy, joy zipper not so rough, but divine nonetheless.

glenny g2003 (glenny g2003), Tuesday, 30 March 2004 09:23 (twenty years ago) link

Delays are LP of the week on Ken Bruce!

the blissfox, Tuesday, 30 March 2004 15:00 (twenty years ago) link

new auburn lull is out in early may. it will probably be very beautiful. manual is getting more and more slowdive-ish with each release

keith m (keithmcl), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 01:20 (twenty years ago) link

new auburn lull is out in early may.

Ten years after the first one! Or so it seems.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 13:59 (twenty years ago) link

Sianspheric

YES! Especially The Sound of the Colour of the Sun. Absolute classic (if you're into shoegazer, that is).

rainman (rainman), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 14:14 (twenty years ago) link

not quite ten. more like six.

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 21:22 (twenty years ago) link

I heard something great as I was renting videos at The Wherehouse (terrible store for music, mostly out of business for those who don't know). It sounded like something 'Loveless'-y, but not very "shoegaze" and it turned out to be Snow Patrol. Pretty good stuff actually. And the Mew is amazing, I would recommend it to anyone who thought they might like Smashing Pumpkins if it weren't for being annoyed by Corgan.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:07 (twenty years ago) link

haha spencer scroll up! maybe the same song.

gygax! (gygax!), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:13 (twenty years ago) link

New bands that are influenced by shoegaze, but aren't "newgaze" or just rehashing old bands:

Mahogany
Pia Fraus
Brasilia
On!Air!Library!

All worthy of checking out.

goodies, Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:23 (twenty years ago) link

I anti-recommend Los Halos.

donut bitch (donut), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:24 (twenty years ago) link

haha spencer scroll up! maybe the same song.

whoops! I actually forgot to paste your post before mine. I figured out the track I heard was "Gleaming Auction", but other songs on the album, 'Final Straw' sound similar.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:44 (twenty years ago) link

I keep confusing Snow Patrol with Snowpony, every time I see the name. Has anyone heard the Snowpony album? Was it any good or was a awful?

anthony kyle monday (akmonday), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:47 (twenty years ago) link

it wasn't great. i loved the first two singles but the album lacked the same spark.

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 22:48 (twenty years ago) link

the second Snowpony album (Sea Shanties for Spaceships) was better. a bit like Ruby. which seems like a contradiction, i realize, but it's really not.

echoinggrove (echoinggrove), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:49 (twenty years ago) link

i didn't even know it existed!

the surface noise (electricsound), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:55 (twenty years ago) link

It's around. There's a two disc edition.

I vote for the Delays over Mew, they work better on some undefinable level, though both are quite fine. Fennesz is better than both, though. The Joshua Treble solo album that came out recently is a pretty good if not striking Fennesz-like release which has its moments of haze and gaze.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 31 March 2004 23:59 (twenty years ago) link

I'm really surprised you like the Delays over Mew. The Delays seem slightly non-descript, whereas Mew have much more interesting textures and are more histrionic, along Pumpkins lines. Have you checked out Snow Patrol? Check out "Gleam Auction". It's almost right in between those two bands. I think Fennesz is doing something that can't be compared to those "bands".

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:07 (twenty years ago) link

whereas Mew have much more interesting textures and are more histrionic, along Pumpkins lines.

Are they? I have to be honest, I didn't sense that, it just seemed like, well, enjoyable shoegaze, and I definitely don't recall any Pumpkins-like ego-apocalypse. Even Stina Nordenstam singing on tracks didn't spark things up further. The Delays are fairly straightforward perhaps, but they've got a good producer in Graham Sutton and they know how to work in strange noises into their songs, and it was all in all more involving for me, by a hair I guess.

I think Fennesz is doing something that can't be compared to those "bands".

Which is part of the point, by demonstrating how to use haze for alternate purposes -- it's a seemingly obvious equation of gaze plus IDM with ridiculously grand results that tends to trump all the other recent attempts at same -- whereas all the new bands sound like...bands doing shoegaze. Which, as I thought while I listened to some Bethany Curve, isn't always enough anymore.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:13 (twenty years ago) link

regarding the Mew record, I'm referring very specifically to the first three tracks from 'Frengers':

"Am I Wry? No"
"156"
"Snow Brigade"

There's *way* more going on with the arrangements and textures than anywhere on the Delays album, and the vocals go quite stratospheric at points.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:36 (twenty years ago) link

But to get really Corganesque, you have to start babbling in your mind about all the demons of adolescence still on your back, then rant about churches abandoning you in the middle of ten-minute breakouts. You know, going for the gusto stuff. ;-)

Really, this is all based on first listens, and the Delays' hooks worked better than Mew's, and that always counts for something. As such, Mew really ultimately strike me as no more or less creative than the Delays, the latter just has a little certain something in the end results more.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:50 (twenty years ago) link

(Keep in mind also that I saw the Church last night and they wipe the floor with both bands anyway, and Marty Willson-Piper is more of a stroppy guitar god moody bastard then either of them could muster. Woo!)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:52 (twenty years ago) link

Well Ned, I will listen again to the Delays, and I would urge you to return to those specific tracks.

As for Fennesz, as much as I enjoy his records (and especially several of the tracks on 'Venice'), it just whets my appetite for something that's beautiful on more levels - whether it be a catchy melody, more propulsion, more rhythm etc. The best tracks on 'Venice' sound like 'Loveless' interstitials which is a high compliment, but they're not specifically why I always return to that record. Also, there's a Kevin Shields piece called "2" from his La La Human Steps collaboration which is perhaps his best pure texture track (I've only found a barely acceptable quality .mp3 unfortunately). It gives me that same ecstatic nausea that frankly, no other "shoegaze" artist can do.

Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Thursday, 1 April 2004 00:57 (twenty years ago) link

Well Ned, I will listen again to the Delays, and I would urge you to return to those specific tracks.

One Delays track I'm thinking of has this bit of Sigur Ros-style 'beautiful' guitar noise, but they then proceed to make a hook out of that instead of floating off into the ether wibbling like Our Boys From Iceland. Really captured my ear, because it's a seemingly simple approach that adds some unexpected depth, and not in the 'oh it is art' sense, just in the 'hey, more going on!' sense.

it just whets my appetite for something that's beautiful on more levels - whether it be a catchy melody, more propulsion, more rhythm etc

Well that's why for me when Sylvian brings in the purring voice everything's all 'oh heavens, THIS is nice.' I hadn't even realized he was on there and I still haven't heard the stuff they did together last year, so it was quite striking how well the two combined.

ecstatic nausea

Mmmm, nausea. Needs to be more of that. Haven't been knocked sideways in a long, long while.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 1 April 2004 01:04 (twenty years ago) link

It's around. There's a two disc edition.

Yes there is (re: Snowpony), and the second disc is remarkable, being as it's tracks off the album remixed in a drum'n'bass stylee by, er, Moving Shadow's Rob Playford...

As a slight aside, I finally got my mitts on a copy of Lush's Gala compilation! Arrived in the post yesterday. My, is it lovely.

Oh, and as to the shouegazine revival, think I might've mentioned Sennen before, but I've only just found out they have a website. so ner.

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:51 (twenty years ago) link

*cough* "shouegazine"? what's wrong with me?

CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 1 April 2004 08:52 (twenty years ago) link

hahaha

the surface noise (electricsound), Thursday, 1 April 2004 09:05 (twenty years ago) link

I think this whole idea of the electronica/shoegaze thing is what makes me love the Telefon Tel Aviv newest album so much.

yo yo yo (cRaiG), Friday, 2 April 2004 06:34 (twenty years ago) link

six months pass...
HA HA, REVIVE, BECAUSE WE ALL WENT TO A SHOEGAZER CLUB ON SATURDAY NIGHT!!!

I mean, it was even called "Sonic Cathedrals" and everything.

Radio Department played. But that wasn't even the highlight of the evening. The Telescopes DJ'd.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:35 (nineteen years ago) link

we don't have shoegazer clubs

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:40 (nineteen years ago) link

London hasn't seen a proper shoegazer club in OVER A DECADE, but my god did it need one. I was even willing to put up with a Hoxton crowd and horrible heat just for the privilige of spinning around wildly to Loop's "Spinning" on a dance floor. Oh yes, and Sonic Boom videos, too. I can die happy.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:45 (nineteen years ago) link

i would dj a fucking awesome set at a shoegaze club, but in melbourne it would be me and perhaps four others.

the surface noise (slight return) (electricsound), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

Dancing to shoegaze!

Next thing you know some corny English fuck will talk over some crappy electro beats about SMSing....

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

SORRY FOR UNFUNNY

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:46 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like to DJ a more extreme music set than I do at shitty campus stuff. NOISE + SHOEGAZE + MODERN COMPOSER CRAP ETC

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlie No.4 has been talking about starting a Shoegazer club for ages, so I'm glad that someone finally did it.

What's crazy is I had forgotten just how danceable much of Shoegazing really was! I mean, sure, lots of it was Cathedrals of Sound type prettiness, but the extended dance mixes and the Weatherall mixes and the "rave music with Rickenbachers, right?" stuff...

I guess, post-Manitoba, someone actually realised "YOU KNOW WHAT?!?!? CHAPTERHOUSE REALLY WERE GREAT!!!"

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:51 (nineteen years ago) link

send me MDMA in mail europeople

sometimes i like to pretend i am very small and warm (ex machina), Monday, 25 October 2004 07:54 (nineteen years ago) link

Kate>>> How was the Radio Dept show?

Hanna (Hanna), Monday, 25 October 2004 08:56 (nineteen years ago) link

Oh, Radio Dept. were really, really, good, as well. I need to get their record because they were very swirly and lovely. At least I have a badge now. :-)

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:08 (nineteen years ago) link

That club night was AMAZING. I had such a good time despite the other major issues (too hot, no coatcheck, took AGES to get a drink) . I can't remember the last time I got to hear that music in a club. Being able to dance to all that old creation stuff (House of Love, Ride, MBV) was such a treat. OMG Pale Saints! Loop! It even occurred to me (briefly) that Revolver were actually kinda good...

(And hey surfacenoise - I'll be visiting Melbourne in a couple months, so you'd have five people there... )

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:14 (nineteen years ago) link

The Revolver video was really cute.

I spent the first 20 minutes just staring at the screen, until I realised that it was on a repeating loop. I mean, Lush videos! Ride videos I'd never seen. Slowdive videos. Chapterhouse videos. Did I mention the SONIC BOOM videos? They did a whole Spacemen spin-offs set including even The Darkside.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:17 (nineteen years ago) link

And I thought Radio Dept. were pretty good live too, although I wasn't blown away - probably because I was expecting too much since the CD is so damn spiffy.

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Ah, see, I haven't heard the CD so I didn't know what to expect.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:24 (nineteen years ago) link

Blimey, we toyed with going to this for a while but just went back to a mates house and got trammelled. We all agreed it was a good idea though. ahhh revolver

Porkpie (porkpie), Monday, 25 October 2004 09:40 (nineteen years ago) link

it was a lot of fun in a slightly cloying nostalgic kindofa way. the scene that celebrates itself even made a little bit of an effort. baby sitters all over london must have been doing a roaring trade looking after all those little stripey t shirted tarquins and tabithas. the records were pretty much as i remembered only less so, with the arse end (pale saints, chapterhouse, fkn revolver) sounding a lot more trad rock and not really that, ahem, etheriel at all. revolver were pretty much emf with a flange pedal. still as revisiting floppy fringed youth exerecises go, it was pretty inoffensive. radio dept were better than i'd imagine too, tho the shoegazing tag is a bit a misnomer, more of a sarah rcds / pacific almost mongolfier brothers kindof a thing? no? i was stupendously drunk and not so attentive perhaps.

cw (cww), Monday, 25 October 2004 10:58 (nineteen years ago) link

i'm amazed you were able to get drunk at all given the slow wait at the bar...

Rob Bolton (Rob Bolton), Monday, 25 October 2004 11:14 (nineteen years ago) link

ahhhh. i had my minions working overtime. blimey was it ever hot though.

cw (cww), Monday, 25 October 2004 11:18 (nineteen years ago) link

> the arse end (pale saints...

cough, splutter. my mouth is opening and closing but no words are coming out.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 25 October 2004 11:22 (nineteen years ago) link

Yeah, I know, I was ignoring that.

I think Pale Saints were one of the most underrated bands of the 90s.

I was in the loo when "Sight Of You" came on, but I was so so so so soooo happy to hear it again.

Kissing Time At The Pleasure Unit (kate), Monday, 25 October 2004 11:26 (nineteen years ago) link

radio dept were better than i'd imagine too, tho the shoegazing tag is a bit a misnomer, more of a sarah rcds / pacific almost mongolfier brothers kindof a thing? no?

Yes, definitely, very much OTM!

Hanna (Hanna), Monday, 25 October 2004 11:43 (nineteen years ago) link


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