enjoying misogyny

Main Entry: mis·an·thrope
Pronunciation: 'mi-s&n-"thrOp
Function: noun
Etymology: Greek misanthrOpos hating mankind, from misein to hate + anthrOpos human being
Date: 1683
: a person who hates or distrusts mankind

The real actual answer I think: it's much more generally accepted (in a pop-sociology way not necc. a scientific way) that there are basic differences between men and women, than it is that there are basic racial differences. So commenting - even negatively - on women as a group seems more acceptable. Also - I'd guess the average straight man is much more likely to find themselves in a one-on-one relationship with a woman (with potential antagonism) which is defined by their different genders than he is to find himself in a similar racial situation.

Or to put it much more simply - there are ALSO far far far more songs by men saying how wonderful a woman (or even 'women') is than there are songs by whites saying how wonderful blacks are.

I'm beginning to wonder if Liz Phair is a misogynist.

And yeah I think it's andry not anthropy cos anthro- = human but andro- = man (By no means intended to be definitive answer though)

I'm the Winin' Boy
Don't deny my name
I had that gal
I had her in the grass
I had that bitch
Had her in the grass
One day she got scared and a snake ran up her big ass

I had that bitch
Had her on the stump
I fucked her 'til her pussy stunk
I'm the winin' boy
Don't deny my fuckin' name

See, now that just sounds like good clean fun to me.

I got nipples on my titties, big as the end of my thumb,
I got somethin' between my legs'll make a dead man come,
Oh daddy, baby won't you shave 'em dry?
Now, draw it out!
Want you to grind me baby, grind me until I cry.

Say I fucked all night, and all the night before baby,
And I feel just like I wanna, fuck some more,
Oh great God daddy,
Grind me honey and shave me dry,
And when you hear me holler baby, want you to shave it dry.

I got nipples on my titties, big as the end of my thumb,
Daddy you say that's the kind of 'em you want, and you can make 'em come,
Oh, daddy shave me dry,
And I'll give you somethin' baby, swear it'll make you cry.

I'm gon' turn back my mattress, and let you oil my springs,
I want you to grind me daddy, 'til the bell do ring,
Oh daddy, want you to shave 'em dry,
Oh great God daddy, if you can't shave 'em baby won't you try?

Now if fuckin' was the thing, that would take me to heaven,
I'd be fuckin' in the studio, till the clock strike eleven,
Oh daddy, daddy shave 'em dry,
I would fuck you baby, honey I'd make you cry.

Now your nuts hang down like a damn bell sapper,
And your dick stands up like a steeple,
Your goddam asshole stands open like a church door,
And the crabs walks in like people.
Ow, shit!
Ooh! Baby, won't you shave 'em dry

A big sow gets fat from eatin' corn,
And a pig gets fat from suckin',
Reason you see this whore, fat like I am,
Great God, I got fat from fuckin'.
Eeeeh! Shave 'em dry

My back is made of whalebone,
And my cock is made of brass,
And my fuckin' is made for workin' men's two dollars,
Great God, round to kiss my ass.
Oh! Whoo, daddy, shave 'em dry

i say:
fuckin' a.

and kate rules. i ditto everything she said. except for the liking AC/DC part.

was Lucille Bogan a hermaphrodite?

Songs about staring at tits are not misogynistic. They are just gloriously dumb.

in other words, while there are modes of repression that are reserved for women, it has generally been expedient for the white man to exploit nonwhite women as though they were men.

prof. davis offers this only by way of introducing the subject. i think she felt racist attitudes had been deconstructed (in the academy) to the point where thinkers could begin to take on patriarchy (hopefully we are reaching that point as music listeners).

The anger & misogyny comes from fear, right? Men are being hurt by women and they're afraid of them. That's what these songs are about. The stakes are higher when love & lust are involved, which is why these pains are so deep & the resulting anger so intense. Comparing this stuff w/ racist lyrics doesn't quite work, I don't think, b/c the hurt that comes w/ love is universal.

That's pretty fundamental, I think.

was Lucille Bogan a hermaphrodite?

how about:

wait - for his bitch to leave
miss trina got a trick up her sleeve
open up the door i walk straight in the house
put your man down and put my cock in his mouth

from trina's "hustling"

I would posit that most of the lyrics being discussed here have nothing to do with "the hurt that comes with love".

sp - you could say that, or you could say our culture equips men with verbal weapons women don't have. just this week i heard dr. phil tell someone on oprah never to call men irresponsible, cause it feels the same as when a man calls a woman a bitch. what a load of bullshit!

No, I'll buy that one. Seeing as how it's men prescribed role to be breadwinners and such, and it's women's prescribed role to be nurturers and such, I can see an irresponsible-->bitch corollary. Your argument is that men feel no pain, because we control everything, and thus should shut the fuck up. And if we're talking corporate power, that's true. But not on a personal level. Not if you want to have a healthy heterosexual relationship.

On a more serious note, if your point is that sexism is as bad as racism, it would probably be best if you didn't create a situation where it looks like you are equating bringing up the fact that misogyny exists with using the word "nigger" as that tends to cloud your point and cause people to not take you seriously.