GIRLS talk (the Lena Dunham thread)

for starters, whenever you see url's containing breitbart.com, just assume whatever you are reading is being presented incorrectly, especially if the subject matter involves rape but also pretty much anything else. sincerely hope that is helpful.

"Whether or not a victim is telling the truth is irrelevant" - does anyone agree with this? i'm speaking generally, not about LD - the quote seems insane to me and i wanted to see how ILX felt about it, if it's a common sentiment going over my head. and i don't mean asking/grilling a victim about the veracity of their claims - that is unacceptable unless abundant evidence suggests otherwise...but whether or not a rape occurred matters, yeah? am i just cherry-picking a wrongheaded line from a college student or is this more of an accepted notion than i thought? that's all. i'm genuinely confused by it and want to understand the context of the quote

for starters, whenever you see url's containing breitbart.com, just assume whatever you are reading is being presented incorrectly, especially if the subject matter involves rape but also pretty much anything else. sincerely hope that is helpful.

i read it with a pound of salt in my lap. the writer is garbage. but that quote threw me for a loop and i want to understand it, and if anyone agrees with it and why, so i can learn.

Hi James O'Keefe

Your attention is probably best directed elsewhere, rather than allowing yrself to be trolled by breitbart.com

christ i was expecting to get chewed out but neither of y'all have explained why i'm wrong, which i almost surely am, and i want to understand the thinking behind that quote and if many people felt the same way. i don't think i'm cherry-picking - it's a bold statement. i'm just eager to see what other people think of it so i can learn. honest to god!

First of all: This transcript is based on memory and extensive notes taken during the call

do you really need more?

Second, why does it matter at all what this person said? She is the current student station manager of a station where maybe Dunham's purported rapist worked years earlier, before Hess was there (and we don't necessarily know that Dunham hasn't changed details, e.g. to avoid a libel suit).

Third, she pretty clearly did not want to help breitbart.com with anything at all, so the conversation has to be read in that context.

Fourth, she not only has no connection to the case, but she has no connection to the campus's dealings with reported rapes. So, again, why does it matter what she says?

Fifth, I think it's likely that what she means is "truth would matter if there was actually a specific person's guilt or innocence or reputation at stake, but there is not."

In other words "why are you poking your nose around in this, asshole?"

Oh wait, I know why it matters, because as a prominent Oberlin student she is part of the larger SJW conspiracy to cover up false rape accusations against people who don't exist.

Well, there is a person's guilt and innocence and reputation at stake. Dunham didn't use a pseudonym for the rapist and he was quickly found online. Side with and help the victim always, but to say "the truth is irrelevant" seems messed up to me, and if it doesn't to you, i want to know why because like i said, i am most likely wrong and ignorant. in context, she's (the student) not referring just to this case - she's talking about sexual assault and rape on campus in general. i'm not begrudging her or berating her, it doesn't even matter who said it, it's the quote itself that took me by surprise and i'm just seeing if anyone feels the same way, so i can understand it properly, if it has any merit at all, which is why i posted in here in the first place.

sorry for writing in circles - i want to learn about something that's totally out of my depth + experience because i am probably wrong, thats all

It's a questionable quote from an untrustworthy source, it has zero importance or relevance.

"he" wasn't quickly found online, some guy named Barry who otherwise bore little resemblance to the person Dunham named (as Nolte himself is adamant to point out!) was found online

she's not talking about "sexual assault and rape on campus in general" she's talking about a case where no real person has been named and no charges have been sought, no suspects have even been brought in, no report has been made. The truth doesn't matter in the sense that nothing is at stake other than one man's quest to prove that Lena Dunham is a lying liar and in turn cast doubt on whether women actually get raped much.

at least that's what I can glean based on what sounds like a garbled quote from "memory" and "notes"

i completely agree, and i'm still mystified why conservative men in particular LOVE TO HATE lena dunham, clearly because she's threatening to them in some way, which rules. sorry to harp on the quote, i didn't know if that was the consensus.

glad you "learned" something today but kinda rmde @ you right now

just an aside: LD wrote that her gynecologist used to pitch for the Mets, and no ex-Met pitchers are in that field.

lol

I feel like there is a joke in there but not one I want to come up with let alone make

this is an amusing read

http://www.faithandfearinflushing.com/2014/10/13/dunham-bull/

Maybe it was Doctor K

It's Doc Gooden, but not that Doc Gooden.

so Sunday then..

wow for a show that we manage to talk about so much it sure is boring isnt it

Marnie-fails always oddly gratifying

I hate Marnie's band

so

fucking

much

I thought they were one of the better things in the episode. The ass eating was good and Elijah was good as always. Or maybe it's just the actor, he's always good isn't he?

they are such a terrible folk duo, their attempts at "harmonizing" are laughable

"boring" otm

I read some ep summaries and it looks like my last watched episode is the end of season two.

Do I watch season three? Should I skip to new eps?

since this show is v plot-driven I would say no don't skip s3

for one thing, there is great Laird action in season 3

I don't even remember who Laird is! I'm sure it'll come back to me

lol I couldn't either, but then I looked it up and realized I remembered the character just not the name

You know what's even more boring than Girls? Togetherness, which I was looking forward to because Mark Duplass is awesome on The League.

I need to try Looking just to see if HBO has hit a trifecta of "why would anyone watch these whiny people not be funny or interesting for 30-45 minutes?"

I really liked the first episode of Togetherness, will totally watch

Meanwhile, this was assembled: http://morningafter.gawker.com/allison-williams-gets-her-ass-eaten-to-the-sounds-of-pe-1678900471

The sounds of Public Enemy?

Night of the Living Basehead.

Elijah was good as always.

His line about how he wouldn't have to see his ex if he didn't live in New York had me genuinely LOLLING

Same, but I'd started when said ex turned up at brunch wearing three tired New Jersey faghags.

The first episode seemed more like the last one of the series before.

Elijah is consistently the funniest lately. but this show isn't particularly interested in comedy.

I like his character, he's very good at doing that thing where a person is obviously full of shit but kind of believes his own bullshit.

ok the degree to which this writing workshop episode is incredibly awkward is sorta the narrow sweet spot where the show shines

Elijah again w the only laughs

I couldn't watch the writing workshop all the way through.

as many problems as i have with this show, there's a compilation of those and related scenes that should be shown to every young person interested in creative writing on every campus in america

ha, yes