Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

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.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Mark G, Friday, 28 November 2014 15:14 (nine years ago) link

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

Letsby Avenue (Tom D.), Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

tylerw, Tuesday, 2 December 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link

trainspotting:

You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"

http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244

/trainspotting

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 05:24 (nine years ago) link

what the fricke!
i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say?
would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link

You should have done it!

Root It Oot (Tom D.), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link

Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...

Mark G, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link

fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...

Nixon head is essential. (stevie), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link

put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link

yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good

tylerw, Monday, 15 December 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link

fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.

the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Monday, 15 December 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

This 6CD thing is a revelation. I mean, all the live Matrix stuff is amazing enough, mixed crystal clear, after decades of dodgy audience recordings this is like thunder from the heavens. Complaints about the incomplete nature of this set are legit (I think there were four nights taped?), and I am resigned to all of it coming out in five years, but whatever. I just wish there was more banter besides the instant-classic intro to "I Can't Stand It" - I may have missed something my first time through, though.

On top of all that glorious live material, the individual mixing decisions on the 1969 sessions disc seem very well thought out. Guitars sound so good on the new mix of "One Of These Days', all kinds of cool things I'd never noticed. second guitar seems much more prominent on the new mix of "Lisa Says" as well. Pretty much everything sounds better than/as good as the VU/Another View versions - I think the ones that have new mixes were never properly mixed down in the first place, as opposed to the ones w/original mix acetates? It's so confusing. The new mix of "Coney Island" in particular has much better vocals w/o the effects, you can practically see a young Jonathan Richman taking notes. The original mixes suit "I'm Sticking With You" and "She's My Best Friend", the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" really brings out the guitars again, fuck this whole disc is like a new listening experience!

some kind of terrible IDM with guitars (sleeve), Tuesday, 30 December 2014 04:41 (nine years ago) link

three weeks pass...

GIVE ME ALL THE MATRIX TAPES NOW YOU MONSTERS

tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link

fwiw a single-disc edit is now on Spotify

the top 40 is just the sound of autotuned crying (sleeve), Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:28 (nine years ago) link

ha yeah, i've got the two discs, i just mean, release every second of these things.
anyway, i like the new VU mixes for the most part EXCEPT Ride Into The Sun -- what is going on there? bass sounds out of whack for most of the beginning, kinda messes up the whole experience for me. i guess it's cool hearing a new mix, but it is definitely not my preferred version.

tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 20:30 (nine years ago) link

The only new VU mix that I think misses the mark is "Lisa Says." The reverb on the 1985 mix was so perfect, and reinforced a certain quality that it shared with the Pretenders' version of "Thin Line Between Love and Hate." The new mix sounds claustrophobic and insular.

Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:04 (nine years ago) link

hmm will have to listen back to the VU Lisa Says mix...
as long as we're picking nits, the sequencing on both the 1969 sessions disc and the matrix discs could be better...

tylerw, Thursday, 22 January 2015 21:23 (nine years ago) link

seven months pass...

A listing is up for the Matrix tapes as a 4-CD set to be released on Oct 30. http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Tapes-4-CD/dp/B014WIZP96/
This Amazon listing looks curiously bare, though. No details at all. Despite mountains of talk at Steve Hoffman, I really wonder whether this is happening... or if it's a boot... or....
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-velvet-underground-the-matrix-tapes-4cd-box-set.461616/

hardcore dilettante, Sunday, 6 September 2015 20:13 (eight years ago) link

Well, remember when Amazon listed My Bloody Valentine boxed set

Mark G, Sunday, 6 September 2015 22:05 (eight years ago) link

There was a letter printed on the Steve Hoffman site saying that something had started being prepared from the Abram tapes. Didn't sound like it would be ready for the 30th October release date that that Amazon site has since it was only just starting to be prepared.
But would be great to get a full Matrix box set

Stevolende, Sunday, 6 September 2015 22:29 (eight years ago) link

That letter -- if I'm looking at the same thing you are -- is from 2002! I think negotiations broke down sometime. By the Abrams tapes are what showed up in incomplete form on last years 3rd album box set. Hopefully this release (if it's real) will be uncut.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link

If it was legit, I can't imagine they would release it on the same day as the Loaded box.

Hideous Lump, Monday, 7 September 2015 04:48 (eight years ago) link

Yeah, there's also a Lou Reed solo box coming out on the same day apparently.
I missed the date on the letter and obviously if it's a while back negotiations must have been successful. It would cover 2 discs worth of that material appearing on last year's s/t box.
Am hoping a legit complete set does appear though.

Wonder what other delights await release from the VU archive. Or is that it?

Stevolende, Monday, 7 September 2015 08:13 (eight years ago) link

Lou was saying there would be no more "Bootleg Series" and I would guess these tapes were what he was referring to.

Of course, this is a different thing now.

Mark G, Monday, 7 September 2015 09:46 (eight years ago) link

If this is some sort of hoax I shall cry.

Fields of Fat Henry (Tom D.), Monday, 7 September 2015 09:50 (eight years ago) link

I'd really love to see it but having seen what was (or possibly wasn't i.e. anything but a title & release date) on that Amazon page a couple of days ago I could see it being almost a glitch, otherwise some form of mistake.

Stevolende, Monday, 7 September 2015 11:21 (eight years ago) link

I'm positive they'll put out a complete matrix set at some point -- just would be odd to have both the loaded box set and it out at exactly the same time.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:08 (eight years ago) link

...and the Lou solo thing.

It should be noted that all three of these things would be coming from different labels: The Matrix set from Universal; Loaded from Rhino/Atlantic; and Lou solo from Sony Legacy--so a last grag physical media free-for-all is not outside the realm of possibility.

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 7 September 2015 14:21 (eight years ago) link

Maybe! Excited to hear it all whenever. The matrix stuff they put out last year sounded so nice. Getting that epic "ocean" and the definitive Lou-sung "new age" in that quality will be amazing.

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:40 (eight years ago) link

Also more Lou monologues!

tylerw, Monday, 7 September 2015 14:53 (eight years ago) link

four weeks pass...

Why pay through the nose for those boxsets when you can have this for $9.95?

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 6 October 2015 22:37 (eight years ago) link

haha! a steal!

tylerw, Tuesday, 6 October 2015 22:41 (eight years ago) link

Actually, kinda. I bet that would sound great in my '98 Subaru.

hardcore dilettante, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 00:10 (eight years ago) link

since this is the trainspotters thread, i've been thinking about what's left in the VU archives since the 45th anniversary things are done, and the matrix tapes are finally coming out in full... here's what I think is *known* to exist (there are always rumors of other things).
Primitives Rehearsal Tape - 1964
Pickwick Demo Reel - 1965
Klimek Tapes (various Cleveland gigs 1968-69, some uncirculated)
Boston Tea Party tapes 1968-69
Hilltop Festival 1969
End of Cole Avenue 1969
Honeymoon Acetate 1969
Joseph Freeman Max's Kansas City Tapes 1970

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:17 (eight years ago) link

SQUEEZE

Love, Wilco (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:20 (eight years ago) link

never heard of it

tylerw, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 21:21 (eight years ago) link

has the complete epi columbus '66 show been released? also, is sweet sister ray from one of the klimek tapes? how about the various brief excerpts- glass house '67, poor richard's '66 led by cale as lou reed had tonsillitis or something, the warhol soundtracks (stuff like chic mystique), that early recording starting with "andy warhol says"... did the andy warhol museum tape ever get an official release? that's not even bringing up things like the "swan mix"...

the professor tapes and klimek tapes (he did the la cave stuff, right?) are some of my favorite live velvets around. most of the released stuff tends to be from fall '69 when they were on a heavy whole-food hippie trip, but stuff like the jan '69 sister ray/murder mystery (or of course the guitar amp version) is on a whole different level... better than the cale one! you can get a taste of it from the early version from the quine tapes...

rushomancy, Wednesday, 7 October 2015 23:58 (eight years ago) link

SQUEEZE is already re-issued.

Or are you imagining there were tracks left off it for not making the grade?

Mark G, Thursday, 8 October 2015 10:46 (eight years ago) link

Oh you card you.

Terry Micawber (Tom D.), Thursday, 8 October 2015 10:52 (eight years ago) link

I don't think the whole EPI show has been released yet, not positive though

Sweet Sister Ray is a Klimek tape, supposedly somebody erased the "Sister Ray" part that it starts going into at the end.

"Chic Mystique" totally rules and needs an official release

sleeve, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:02 (eight years ago) link

whole EPI columbus show (and the factory rehearsal) is on the 45th VU & Nico box set...
chic mystique would be cool. those poor richards recordings w/o reed and the glass house stuff seem too lo-fi even by VU standards for official release.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:05 (eight years ago) link

yeah even I can't really listen to those recordings

sleeve, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:14 (eight years ago) link

another rumor (which I have probably mentioned in this very thread) is that there's a good quality rhode island EPI tape from 1967
"There is a tape of the Velvets playing at the RI School of Design in 1967. I have heard it, though that was approximately 30 years ago. The owner of the tape used to tape concerts that were held in the Providence area. It was on a 7" tape reel. I remember the tape well, it was from the White Light/White Heat period and was very clear with a great Sister Ray" [by bobbldr in The Velvet Forum, 2008]. Current status: uncirculated.
http://olivier.landemaine.free.fr/vu/live/1967/vu_ticket_670401.jpg

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:32 (eight years ago) link

oh cool, don't think I had heard of that before

and of course there is the holy grail of "Sweet Rock And Roll", but afaik there is no existing recording (yet! maybe somebody will clean out their closet some day...)

sleeve, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:50 (eight years ago) link

I think that's the same as "Sweet Sister Ray"

Mark G, Thursday, 8 October 2015 14:59 (eight years ago) link

Sweet Sister Ray is a Klimek tape, supposedly somebody erased the "Sister Ray" part that it starts going into at the end.

Word was, that the orig taper loaned it to Lou with Lou promising that he would give him it back, promise. When he got it, he was vexed to find that the Sister Ray part had gone.

Mark G, Thursday, 8 October 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link

When he got it back, that is.

Mark G, Thursday, 8 October 2015 15:01 (eight years ago) link

I think that's the same as "Sweet Sister Ray"
might be based around the same thing but i think "sweet rock and roll" had developed into a bit more of a song in the summer of 68 when (morrison claimed) it was recorded, but the tape vanished.
never heard the story about Klimek loaning Lou the Sweet Sister Ray tape. Though apparently there was a big long "Hey Mr. Rain" that got taped over by his sister sometime.

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2015 15:06 (eight years ago) link

from a forum post:

According to various stories, the rest of that show was either accidentally erased by Klimek's sister when she was fooling around with friends, or deliberately erased by Lou when he borrowed the tape. Personally I'm not wholly convinced by this. Klimek supposedly has hours of uncirculated live VU (supposedly just about every show they played in the Cleveland area, starting with the EPI in 1966), and the rest of this badboy could be one of them.

http://akson.sgh.waw.pl/~kg23187/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=1085&start=10

sleeve, Thursday, 8 October 2015 15:20 (eight years ago) link

here's one of the alleged uncirculated klimek tapes
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CPrtjX_UcAAAJgX.png
he apparently would like them released officially but it hasn't happened yet...

tylerw, Thursday, 8 October 2015 15:23 (eight years ago) link


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