Lady Gaga, Pussycat Dolls and a Taxonomy of Vacuous Pop

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hasty zingz

I like brooks & dunn btw

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 15:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

and xhuxk of course

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 15:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

not sure why people bother to try and zing his championing of non-canonical acts when his unwillingness to prune c+ps and defensive oversharing of how little he's willing to look up about an act he's dismissing seems a lot more annoying.

da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2009 15:58 (5 years ago) Permalink

yes one thing this board needs more of is detailed arguing on how we can make fun of each other more effectively

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:01 (5 years ago) Permalink

if someone was writing "lol u like the cure" on this thread I'd do the same for you

da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:05 (5 years ago) Permalink

Not all music listening is a research project, for crissakes, Miccio. And I would have editing Metal Mike's rambling down more if the Voice was still paying me to do so. But who cares -- I just put on A Split Second's 1993 Vengeance C.O.D. CD for the first time in years, and it's great. I like Belgian nu-beat circa 1982; have no real problem with somebody warming it over now, though I wish Gaga (and Furtado) sounded more Belgian. Have to thank Hi Dere for making the comparison though.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:07 (5 years ago) Permalink

no one's saying you have to research to listen, chuck.

da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

No, just to talk.

xhuxk, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:09 (5 years ago) Permalink

surprised such an easy target has such a huge thread... i mean no one really takes her seriously except for the teenage girls and homos she's targetting anyway.

fauxmarc, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:10 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't get how she can be praised for using 'cool synth sounds' when her two big singles utilize literally the exact same synth sound. also, and i know this is stupid seeing as we're all arguing with disembodied emails, i'd like to know why "poker face" is necessary after "just dance".

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:11 (5 years ago) Permalink

i think there are way more homos against her and straights for her than vice versa on this thread (and in xhuxk's inbox)

xpost

hahaha sorry all you music-hippies (some dude), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

surprised such an easy target has such a huge thread... i mean no one really takes her seriously except for the teenage girls and homos she's targetting anyway.

― fauxmarc, Thursday, March 19, 2009 11:10 AM (1 minute ago) Bookmark

this is true for like kimya dawson post-juno, gaga's one of the two or three biggest pop stars atm right now

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:12 (5 years ago) Permalink

though I wish Gaga (and Furtado) sounded more Belgian

did you ever hear Girls Aloud's 'The Show'?

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

they ARE different, jordan. and i don't think just dance is as solid as you think it is.

i mean no one really takes her seriously except for the teenage girls and homos she's targetting anyway.

― fauxmarc, Thursday, March 19, 2009 12:10 PM (1 minute ago) Bookmark Suggest Ban Permalink

this statement makes me feel weird

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:13 (5 years ago) Permalink

Basically, all of that stuff was all over rave/dance music in the early 90s, started leaking into pop via crossovers like Snap! and Bizarre Inc, then detoured into hip-hop via Eminem/D-12 in the early 00s. I feel like it's been inescapable in pop music since 2004/2005, so I really don't get how or why people are saying they've never heard anything quite like it before. (ESPECIALLY when Rihanna AKA the singer who does "Umbrella"/"Don't Stop The Music"/"Disturbia" is so omnipresent)

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:14 (5 years ago) Permalink

And yeah, "Poker Face" is different from "Just Dance" in that "JD" is a decent enough song and "PF" is fucking horrible.

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:15 (5 years ago) Permalink

rong

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:16 (5 years ago) Permalink

i don't really hear Don't Stop the Music in these 2 songs at all either

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

another thing w/ her is that her annoyingness is manifested at least once in both singles, each time ruining or almost ruining a pretty good song. the puh-puh-poker face part in "poker face" is so horrifying and as much as i love "just dance" the bridge is unlistenable

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

it's far more stripped down xp

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:17 (5 years ago) Permalink

the puh-puh-poker face part in "poker face" is so horrifying

nope

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind songs that are barely songs if there's something else about them I find engaging, whether it be the foundational beat, the arrangement, some weird sound effect, or, you know, ANYTHING. "Poker Face" is a warmed over retread of "Just Dance" with most of the singing (aka the best part of "Just Dance") taken out and replaced with some of the most irritating bullshit on the airwaves since whatever Chris Brown's last single was.

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:18 (5 years ago) Permalink

"just dance" is great, as i said on this thread earlier, to me because it breaks free of the trappings youd imagine youd find in a synth-pop song in 2008. its synth is huge and identifiable and lyrically it's as graphic and vivid as anything on the radio. "poker face" on the other hand uses nearly the same synth sound as "just dance" and is also pretty lame lyrically, esp. in the chorus

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:20 (5 years ago) Permalink

it sounds pretty ordinary to me

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

JD

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:22 (5 years ago) Permalink

the one good thing about it is the "i love this record baby" line

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

Poker Face is a pretty decent single. Its just Lady Gaga that I think is a BAD THING FOR MUSIC. Also Xenomania.

Chris Brown's last single was Superhuman fyi

Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:23 (5 years ago) Permalink

agree totally w/ Surm's last few posts abt that song

hahaha sorry all you music-hippies (some dude), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:24 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'm usually not a huge lyrics guy but the whole "I'm fucking blasted; maybe if I keep dancing everything will be okay" narrative trumps "uh, I wanna hump this guy... POKER FACE!"

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

the 1st line in poker face is so good it hurts

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:27 (5 years ago) Permalink

Yeah, I actually kinda like this stuff when I hear it on the radio but I don't really listen to the radio all that much so I don't really get hung up on overplay fatigue with this stuff. Its the way its being framed that pisses me off and I suppose its a bit like guys on Vampire Weekend thread frothing about Pitch4k reviews.

Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

And yeah, "Poker Face" is different from "Just Dance" in that "JD" is a decent enough song and "PF" is fucking horrible.

^^ I kind of think the opposite

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:28 (5 years ago) Permalink

I don't mind songs that are barely songs if there's something else about them I find engaging, whether it be the foundational beat, the arrangement, some weird sound effect, or, you know, ANYTHING

exactly, except i think Poker Face actually does have this, in the 'barely qualifying' sense - more so than 'Just Dance' altho that's better in every other department and is carried mainly by vocal qualities and better song structure

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

I blame Gwen Stefani for all this BTW

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

I like the CANTREADMY, CANTREADMY bit

Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:29 (5 years ago) Permalink

gwen stefani can be blamed for most things

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:30 (5 years ago) Permalink

I would buy GS way more as a pop-provocateur than LG

Plaxico (I know, right?), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

It's not Gwen's fault that she can do vacuous self-regard well and others can't!

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:31 (5 years ago) Permalink

once i bought one of her CD's, i thought it would be a fun thing to do. turned out i was wrong

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

hollaback girl sounds like it was written by Uncle Kracker

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:32 (5 years ago) Permalink

yeah well you NEVER buy CDs by any of these people, they are rather blatantly singles artists

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:33 (5 years ago) Permalink

i do love hollaback tho, kind of a lot

Surmounter, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:34 (5 years ago) Permalink

good

Hard House SugBanton (blueski), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:35 (5 years ago) Permalink

lol curtis

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:36 (5 years ago) Permalink

i would pay $40 to see uncle kracker cover "hollaback girl" while dressed as stefani and dancing w/ the harujuku girls

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:37 (5 years ago) Permalink

I... would not

Wes HI DEREson (HI DERE), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:40 (5 years ago) Permalink

I'd pay $40 not

da croupier, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:43 (5 years ago) Permalink

I apologize for my attitude on this thread. I've been listening to top 40 radio regularly again for the first time since like 2003 and it's making me cynical

cortez de esteban (Curt1s Stephens), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:45 (5 years ago) Permalink

so that hardbody brooks & dunn zing was like top 40 roid rage then?

the name's ban. suggest ban (J0rdan S.), Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:49 (5 years ago) Permalink

Chuck is OTM regarding her quasi-electroclash schtick (which is kind of what I was getting at re: the overall American Apparel aesthetic here), especially considering her vague aspirations to some kind of performance art (which she talks up incessantly, but which I have yet to see manifest itself in the recorded output).

As for the synths, they sound to me like the pretty standard sounds used throughout trance music for years. Her main trick seems to be to layer a bunch of "supersaw" type chords, big buzzy monsters, and offset them with a slightly different lead -- not sure how to describe it, but kind of hollow, tubular and striated. It's not a bad trick. But I don't think there's anything crazy inventive about her synth work that you couldn't find done with more nuance in Depeche Mode or The Knife. (But I'm not gonna tell Mike what kind of synths he should like; that's just my read on their precedents.)

pshrbrn, Thursday, 19 March 2009 16:55 (5 years ago) Permalink


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