Psychedelics for Adults?

I definitely could not do psychedelics at this point in my life. I have way too much invested in the conception of myself that I've created, and taking acid or whatever tends to strip that away and while that was welcome and interesting when I was younger and had a more flexible ego, now I think it would just put me in the hospital. I mean, hell, sometimes if I think about ~life~ a certain way, kind of like the mental equivalent of screwing up your eyes to see a magic 3D picture, I can almost get back to that POV and it is unpleasant.
― carl agatha, Wednesday, November 26, 2014 2:43 PM (Yesterday)

this is v otm
i have some nostalgia but i think i learned everything i can learn from it
one thing being that it takes a while to repatch your ego up
feel like that shit is fragile for me at best anyway

i would do 2ci again tho

there is some evidence that hallucinogens can aid the onset of schizophrenia in people predisposed to it

i suppose that makes sense and of course there are the syd barrett and peter green stories to go along with that.

What is 2ci?

looked it up. I am so old!

it is really wonderful; never a bad time

you are probably a narc but ok

http://img1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20061029233636/muppet/images/c/c1/Buyano.jpg

so

you guys playing cards?

http://i.imgur.com/u5CSUeV.jpg

"Everybody Knows You're Tripping! Shut up! Everybody Knows You're Tripping! Stop It! Everybody Knows –"

http://i.imgur.com/RdcZqBt.jpg

"The lines keep all the cars in place, and yet, you can drive right across them when the lot's empty."

http://i.imgur.com/yNzrWk2.jpg

"I can't let go of these. I have to take care of them."

http://i.imgur.com/tEHCquX.jpg

"Another one appearing out of the floor. Just keep ignoring them."

http://i.imgur.com/T3UjGi2.jpg

"I wonder if I know that's me over there. Or rather here."

http://i.imgur.com/4SiuJRc.jpg

"I shall always serve along your side."

http://i.imgur.com/QFLNpeL.jpg

"Are they still back there? Two of them?"

http://i.imgur.com/clEtknc.jpg

"Oh, God. No. We have to... –and there are people sitting there on top of it. Right?"

soon this will be you, wandering around the antipodes in search of wifi so you can talk shit about metallica

http://i.imgur.com/cMBOH0X.jpg

"TURN IT OFF! THE WIFI OFF!"

miserable_men

Is it even possible to obtain high-grade LSD these days? Ever since that missile silo bust, the supply of Owsley-grade chemistry seems pretty thin. Also doesn't help that I'm following forensic-toxocology journals that document the new weird kinds of toxic shit suppliers are cutting things with.

― Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 26 November 2014 23:17 (Yesterday) Permalink

i think u can but
ya i guess the worry is the potential unknowns unbeknownst dosing http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/25I-NBOMe or similar but even ten years ago ... there are a few tiny dose active psychedelics u can put on blotter
the flipside is u can get reliable pure new, and relatively new shit thats pretty good and research chemicals renaissance is here if u want it

https://www.erowid.org/ask/ask.php?ID=3183

The problem with 2ci is that I will never not think of the Mac Iici, which was the bane of my working life for awhile.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/63/Macintosh_IIci.png

"I've a cousin who did it when he was 21, and he 'got stuck' in his trip. He's 42 and still lives with his parents, forever brain damaged and in a very sad state, unable to work or do anything worthwhile, like a basket case :("

not to discount your nephew's experience, but did he have prior mental issues? because I've always felt these stories were apocraphyal and not supported by science.

― akm, Wednesday, November 26, 2014 1:32 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

I had one of these cousin's too! Well, it was my dad's cousin Jurgen. He was "normal" until his 20s when at some point he took acid and just snapped. He was never the same and never lived a normal life. I think that he probably did have some underlying issue and the drugs triggered it because according to everyone the difference was like night and day before he tripped and after. He was kind of hilarious though. One time my dad went out for a beer with him and everyone in the local was calling him Father. He'd had them thinking he was a priest for like a year. Less hilarious was when he disappeared for 6 months and then showed up at his mother's house in a cab which he'd taken from Hungary and expected her to pay the 1000 plus Euro fare.

Consciousness is such a fragile & precious thing to begin with. Don't mess with it.

"Are they still back there? Two of them?"

omg this happened the only time i took acid. in general i felt nothing or at most a sense of unease and awkardness; at one point we were walking down the street following or being followed by two guys dressed in identical beige trenchcoats. everyone found this hilarious & creepy, me less so i think but i just went along with their reactions because hey what else was i going to do?

what was the thing with daniel johnson? was that a drug-triggered mental health issue?

johnston

amazing photospread, pplains. grumpy old men tripping balls would be a great reality show.

daniel johnston did acid with caroline, and they both had a real good time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paAkUvxNZ7M

this is cool. i didn't know about a new wave of (reputable) psychedelic research. big effects on existential dread, anxiety, openness, etc.

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/02/09/trip-treatment

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2014/04/chemo-for-the-spirit-lsd-helps-cancer-patients-cope-with-death/360625/

http://www.hopkinspsychedelicstudy.com/
https://clinicaltrials.gov/show/NCT02033707

6 study sessions (about 8 hours each)

"Oh, God. No. We have to... –and there are people sitting there on top of it. Right?"

― pplains, Wednesday, November 26, 2014 8:03 PM (3 months ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

omg i haven't laughed this hard in at least two weeks

that series of pics and captions is my favourite thing on ILX in a long time

Using psychedelics to treat mental issues is something we could have been doing for the past 50 years. Timothy Leary was working on these types of experiments when the War on Drugs started and pretty much shut out all research from then on out. In light of the extreme profitability of the pharmaceutical industry and medical industry in marketing psychoactive drugs in recent years, it seems more and more like a huge mistake. Legitimate research was halted and the general populace was left to self-medicate, often resorting to dangerous/underground sources. Drugs were explicitly tied to the counterculture in the media, tho obviously lots of authority figures used/abused/profited from these substances.

How come alcohol is legal and mushrooms are illegal? Both impair judgement, both shouldn't be consumed while operating a heavy vehicle. There is some deliberate propaganda at work for why certain substances are legal and others are not. Alcohol tends to make users less trustworthy and self-aware than psychedelics. Alcohol makes users territorial and violent compared to psychedelics. The main study Timothy Leary was working on when the War on Drugs began and his career cut short was on treating violent criminal populations, and he found the recidivism rates were significantly dropping. The study ended largely due to the influence of the California private penal system.

I've been reading a little about microdosing LSD and psilocybin and it sounds interesting but I wouldn't even know where to start looking for psychedelics today.

http://phish.com/tours/
http://umphreys.com/tour/
http://stringcheeseincident.com/tour/
http://www.moe.org/tour_date/
http://allgoodfestival.com/

Try asking these guys

http://telesmaband.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/slide-bandimage2.jpg

Wait, Phish didn't break up?

For about 4 years. They came back in 2008.

But which guy to ask?

The Psychedelic Explorer’s Guide – Risks, Micro-Dosing, Ibogaine, and More

https://vimeo.com/211758157

Been thinking about this guy all weekend.

http://i.imgur.com/dy4zUZb.jpg

lol^^

anyway i have had a strong urge to do psychedelics lately

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2019/05/08/denver-becomes-the-first-u-s-city-to-effectively-decriminalize-psilocybin-mushrooms-outlawed-by-the-u-s-government-since-1970/

most important element there is the opportunity for clinical testing to happen.
was talking with a psych nurse a few nights back who said that intranasal doses of ketamine were the first major new drug for clinical depression in years and that stuff can only be given under heavy supervision, strong possibility of addiction, genuine dangers for long term use. with psilocybin, there's something cheap, easy to make, non-habit forming, impossible to od on, that has thousands of years of testing and immense potential benefit but nowhere to legally run trials. here's hoping docs jump on that immediately.

there is lot of phase 2 and 3 clinical testing for psilocybin already happening

https://maps.org/other-psychedelic-research/211-psilocybin-research/psilocybin-studies-in-progress/research/psilo/passiepsilocybin1.html%7D

not seeing anything there for long term use as an antidepressant which is what I'm hoping happens

that bob ross vimeo, holy shit

There are a bunch of psilocybin studies going on as a treatment for depression! FDA approved clinical trials in U.S. last summer, but it was already underway in UK/Canada/Netherlands

Ok then glad to hear! I think doing them with a broader test group over a lengthy period is going to produce some convincing studies!

https://newatlas.com/science/psilocybin-major-depression-mdd-usona-breakthrough-therapy-fda
maybe we'll see something on the market by 2021? Or at least a revamping of the laws.

This is excellent news

with psilocybin, there's something (...) impossible to od on

I've been wanting to do some psychedelics again for a while but yeah, it's been well over 20 years. I took acid probably a 100 times before that and only ever had 2 bad trips and I used to take it alone a lot as well. But I don't think I'd do that these days.