OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

the planet where Nirvana is one of the biggest bands of all time and the Foo Fighters are that shitty band that happened afterwards

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― Οὖτις,

You slipped from sales to aesthetic judgment here

I mean if you don't pay attention then say so but Foo are huge for anyone who came of age 1997-2004.

have they sold more records than Nirvana?

Shakey is
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really wanted to post "mainly associated with singing, mainly associated with drumming, let's just agree he's mainly ass" but i've been disrespectful enough today

grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success

afaict Foo Fighters have not actually sold more records than Nirvana

that'll show all the nobody who argued otherwise

I would think there would be some connection between record sales and the band DG is "mainly associated" with but agree this whole tangent is stupid

I feel dumb pointing this out but dave grohl wasn't the front guy in nirvana and that might affect people's perception of what his main deal is

the error in that logic is the idea that if more people have an album you drum on than an album you sing on, more people know you as a drummer than as a singer. if you spend 20 years fronting a platinum-gold level band after drumming for a multi-platinum band for 3, just saying the earlier band sold more ignores the fact of how long you've been in bigger light and for what.

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He only played on two of the Nirvana albums btw.

giant derp @ just-woken-up me re Deal, sorry Jo Wiggs still ♥ u boo, Ladies Who Lunch 4eva

It just seems pretty obvious to me that what MC meant was artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band, and I don't think there are tons of examples of that.

xxxp yeah but people don't know drummers

also, what instrument is phil collins supposed to be known for? his voice? (or synthesizers??) i feel like, ignoring what singers think of themselves (their special and unique talents etc), for musicians playing an instrument and also being able to sing competently should not really be counted as, like, an exception.

also

Lloyd Ryan recalled: "Phil always had a problem with reading. That was always a big problem for him. That’s a shame because reading drum music isn’t that difficult."

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this:
has any other musician switched instruments mid-career like DG?

is a much, much broader category than this:

artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band

which are two v v different things

cuz there are tons of musicians that switch instruments mid-career - the main difference is there are not a ton of musicians who are "like DG" in the sense of being widely known as instrument x player of any band

Fatboy Slim

John Maclean

Don Henley

Bruce Willis

Christopher Guest

hey guys, didn't mean to stir up confusion...

i was asking about

"artists who go from being widely known as the instrument x player of a band to being widely known as the instrument/role y guy of a different band"

...because as someone pointed out, just playing more than one instrument is not that uncommon.....

probably could have worded it better, but just a quick post spurred by idle curiosity....

also, great shot of lemmy.....

this thread made me go back and listen to Big Me, which i regret

grant hart would be relevant point of comparison for grohl, except sounding a bit like husker du never really brought him any great success
― john wahey (NickB), Wednesday, November 19, 2014 4:57 PM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Except Grant was a main songwriter and sang in Husker Du

so... are we all pretending that deej's Chief Keef review never happened or did no one else see it

for reference: http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/20027-chief-keef-gucci-mane-back-from-the-dead-2big-gucci-sosa/

idk if anyone thought it was bad???

I find Deej's tireless efforts to cast Keef as anything more than a nihilistic moron p baffling but it's not like the piece is badly written/constructed. Deej is a good writer who knows what he's doing

I don't see how anyone could read the sentence He plays his own narrative close to the vest, letting his story loom below his elliptical rhymes like ice cubes in a glass and not notice that it is saying the exact opposite of what it's supposed to say, for starters.

people who like keef are v dedicated to defending him on what are occasionally shaky grounds, but that particular review is overall solidly written minus the overcooked sentence here and there (and who, among people who professionally or as amateurs write about music, hasn't written one of those?)

I must be missing something cuz that sentence parses correctly to me - close-to-the-vest and keeping things below the surface are related metaphors.

idk why I'm defending this, I find Keef unlistenable

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see now im trying to again after ignoring it for like...well over a year

i can see the appeal better now (by far) than i could then - it's one of the closest things rap has to punk sensibilities that isn't, like, fucking ill bill or odd future (barf)...but in a universe where gunplay and waka flocka fill that void & are also capable of nuanced/emotional stuff amid the chaos, why bother?

*trying it again

I must be missing something cuz that sentence parses correctly to me - close-to-the-vest and keeping things below the surface are related metaphors.

Ice cubes float and most glasses are transparent. He's trying to suggest hidden depths by using imagery that is all surface and visibility.

ah it's a fun review, i love deej's writing about keef just because it's so adorbs to me, or i wish i could hear the keef that deej hears

this also made me lol

Like King Louie, he will lock into a particular pattern for several lines, using extreme slant rhymes ("I just hit a stain, finagle/ I just hit a stain, finito"), as if trying to demolish the distance between words themselves, or to camouflage his thoughts. He’s made rhyming a word with itself into an art form of its own—he likes to complete the circuit early, or to let words stay static while the meaning shifts ("Nigga don’t slip, you lose it, then you lose it").

Ice cubes float and most glasses are transparent.

ok well he should have gone for the iceberg metaphor but obviously the part of the image he was trying to emphasize was the beneath the surface part

He’s made rhyming a word with itself into an art form of its own

yeah this was lolz

let words stay static while the meaning shifts ("Nigga don’t slip, you lose it, then you lose it").

i really like this about keef. it reminds me of mallarmé in a way -- the same word (or sound) deployed in different contexts can mean ten different things. of course, keef's rhymes are pretty limpid compared to the density of the poetry i'm thinking of, but still.

basically i dont just know why one doesnt just transfer this enthusiasm to like...3 other, better, less blatantly sociopathic rappers from the same scene

because yeah...you dont have to have complex rhymes to make powerful statements but his are almost always neither, just rage & there are rappers who do rage better from his scene and various others

the same word (or sound) deployed in different contexts can mean ten different things.....like a basketball, player

i want to go on the record though i think deej is a great hip hop writer for real & i liked reading that review

agreed

thought of a sidebar stemming off this but will post in goon thread

using extreme slant rhymes ("I just hit a stain, finagle/ I just hit a stain, finito")

technically "two three-syllable words that begin with f" rather than a "slant rhyme," but hey, who gives a shit about terminology

I'm gonna assume he pronounces it fin-ay-go

Deej's opinions and theories about Keef are generally batshit insane, but certainly well-argued and well-written.

Ideally they would be published in a place like the Chuck Eddy-era Village Voice instead of a place so rooted in "editorial voice" but w/e