Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

see also "while not losing site of...", ouch

heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!

Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?

New mix of live "Sweet Jane":

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/velvet-underground-early-version-sweet-jane-20141120

(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)

where is the ibiza remix?

xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...

well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...

surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?

Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.

(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)

Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.

so excited for this, I will be buying it next week

listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.

and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!
http://www.popmatters.com/review/188481-the-velvet-underground-the-velvet-underground-45th-anniversary-super/

Wellp, mine's just arrived.

.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

trainspotting:

You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"

http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244

/trainspotting

what the fricke!
i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say?
would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?

You should have done it!

Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...

fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...

put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...

yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good

fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.

the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.

This 6CD thing is a revelation. I mean, all the live Matrix stuff is amazing enough, mixed crystal clear, after decades of dodgy audience recordings this is like thunder from the heavens. Complaints about the incomplete nature of this set are legit (I think there were four nights taped?), and I am resigned to all of it coming out in five years, but whatever. I just wish there was more banter besides the instant-classic intro to "I Can't Stand It" - I may have missed something my first time through, though.

On top of all that glorious live material, the individual mixing decisions on the 1969 sessions disc seem very well thought out. Guitars sound so good on the new mix of "One Of These Days', all kinds of cool things I'd never noticed. second guitar seems much more prominent on the new mix of "Lisa Says" as well. Pretty much everything sounds better than/as good as the VU/Another View versions - I think the ones that have new mixes were never properly mixed down in the first place, as opposed to the ones w/original mix acetates? It's so confusing. The new mix of "Coney Island" in particular has much better vocals w/o the effects, you can practically see a young Jonathan Richman taking notes. The original mixes suit "I'm Sticking With You" and "She's My Best Friend", the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" really brings out the guitars again, fuck this whole disc is like a new listening experience!

GIVE ME ALL THE MATRIX TAPES NOW YOU MONSTERS

fwiw a single-disc edit is now on Spotify

ha yeah, i've got the two discs, i just mean, release every second of these things.
anyway, i like the new VU mixes for the most part EXCEPT Ride Into The Sun -- what is going on there? bass sounds out of whack for most of the beginning, kinda messes up the whole experience for me. i guess it's cool hearing a new mix, but it is definitely not my preferred version.

The only new VU mix that I think misses the mark is "Lisa Says." The reverb on the 1985 mix was so perfect, and reinforced a certain quality that it shared with the Pretenders' version of "Thin Line Between Love and Hate." The new mix sounds claustrophobic and insular.

hmm will have to listen back to the VU Lisa Says mix...
as long as we're picking nits, the sequencing on both the 1969 sessions disc and the matrix discs could be better...

A listing is up for the Matrix tapes as a 4-CD set to be released on Oct 30. http://www.amazon.com/Matrix-Tapes-4-CD/dp/B014WIZP96/
This Amazon listing looks curiously bare, though. No details at all. Despite mountains of talk at Steve Hoffman, I really wonder whether this is happening... or if it's a boot... or....
http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/the-velvet-underground-the-matrix-tapes-4cd-box-set.461616/

Well, remember when Amazon listed My Bloody Valentine boxed set

There was a letter printed on the Steve Hoffman site saying that something had started being prepared from the Abram tapes. Didn't sound like it would be ready for the 30th October release date that that Amazon site has since it was only just starting to be prepared.
But would be great to get a full Matrix box set

That letter -- if I'm looking at the same thing you are -- is from 2002! I think negotiations broke down sometime. By the Abrams tapes are what showed up in incomplete form on last years 3rd album box set. Hopefully this release (if it's real) will be uncut.

If it was legit, I can't imagine they would release it on the same day as the Loaded box.

Yeah, there's also a Lou Reed solo box coming out on the same day apparently.
I missed the date on the letter and obviously if it's a while back negotiations must have been successful. It would cover 2 discs worth of that material appearing on last year's s/t box.
Am hoping a legit complete set does appear though.

Wonder what other delights await release from the VU archive. Or is that it?

Lou was saying there would be no more "Bootleg Series" and I would guess these tapes were what he was referring to.

Of course, this is a different thing now.

If this is some sort of hoax I shall cry.

I'd really love to see it but having seen what was (or possibly wasn't i.e. anything but a title & release date) on that Amazon page a couple of days ago I could see it being almost a glitch, otherwise some form of mistake.

I'm positive they'll put out a complete matrix set at some point -- just would be odd to have both the loaded box set and it out at exactly the same time.

...and the Lou solo thing.

It should be noted that all three of these things would be coming from different labels: The Matrix set from Universal; Loaded from Rhino/Atlantic; and Lou solo from Sony Legacy--so a last grag physical media free-for-all is not outside the realm of possibility.

Maybe! Excited to hear it all whenever. The matrix stuff they put out last year sounded so nice. Getting that epic "ocean" and the definitive Lou-sung "new age" in that quality will be amazing.

Also more Lou monologues!

Why pay through the nose for those boxsets when you can have this for $9.95?

haha! a steal!

Actually, kinda. I bet that would sound great in my '98 Subaru.

since this is the trainspotters thread, i've been thinking about what's left in the VU archives since the 45th anniversary things are done, and the matrix tapes are finally coming out in full... here's what I think is *known* to exist (there are always rumors of other things).
Primitives Rehearsal Tape - 1964
Pickwick Demo Reel - 1965
Klimek Tapes (various Cleveland gigs 1968-69, some uncirculated)
Boston Tea Party tapes 1968-69
Hilltop Festival 1969
End of Cole Avenue 1969
Honeymoon Acetate 1969
Joseph Freeman Max's Kansas City Tapes 1970

SQUEEZE

never heard of it