Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

btw Edward III (ILX Milk Carton alert) has argued most eloquently for the superiority of the Etc mix of ISWU, somewhere on one of the VU poll threads

thanks tarfumes for the breakdown!

Yeah, acetates. Which is why they would be 'rough, working mixes' sort of thing.

e.g. that's the off-key backing vocals version of "Stephanie Says", presumably they had another go at the BV's the next day, and that was all right then.

So, the rest presumably got 'finished' the same way. Which mix is better is in the ear of the beholder, obv.

(Still have not heard a 'not goofy bv's' version of "Temptation inside of your heart", but I assume one exists. It won't be better, but I'd still like it.)

Xpost yeah where is Ed III lately?

watching Adventure Time with his kid iirc

as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VU
haw yeah, i never really thought of them as too 80s, though these new mixes are throwing that aspect of them into relief. not gonna get rid of VU or Another View, they're both great.

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

I refer to it as Brother Lovers...

maybe i'm just trainspotty about this album, but man, why does every article about it just have flat-out wrong info?

I've always called it "the third album". But not just "Third".

yeah! oh well, it's not the end of the world. definitely one of the top 10 tragedies of all time though.

Third album or self-titled but I've never heard it called Third. It isn't Big Star.

EZ, it's on you to get absolutely nothing wrong in your review of this set. we're watching you!

I'll give no factual information whatsoever so I can't get it wrong.

maybe you can just do an interpretive painting or dance...

Mime.

"boy, this velvet underground album recorded sometime in the 1960s sure is good!"

"After hearing this record, you'll want to start your own band!"

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some time back, University Challenge, music round...

Paxman: "You're going to hear some introduction music to bands' debut albums, I want the title of the album.

(some twinkly keyboard notes, fade..)
Student: "um, Is it the Velvet Underground?"
Paxman: "No, that's their third album, that was "The Velvet Underground and Nico"

(true story)

Nice little Doug Yule interview where both he and the interviewer refer to it as "The Grey Album" which I've never heard before, either.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-velvet-underground-reissue-doug-yule-lou-reed-photos-live-footage

What is your relationship with the stuff that’s on there now? I know from previous interviews you have a sort of ambivalent relationship with rock n’ roll.
Ambivalent?

Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?
What lost album do you mean?

Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?
That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?

Yes!

I will never understand why Vice don't edit down their interviews. There's some great material there, but we didn't need to read the above interaction. Bonkers...

see also "while not losing site of...", ouch

heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!

Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?

New mix of live "Sweet Jane":

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/velvet-underground-early-version-sweet-jane-20141120

(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)

where is the ibiza remix?

xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...

well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...

surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?

Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.

(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)

Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.

so excited for this, I will be buying it next week

listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.

and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!
http://www.popmatters.com/review/188481-the-velvet-underground-the-velvet-underground-45th-anniversary-super/

Wellp, mine's just arrived.

.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

trainspotting:

You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"

http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244

/trainspotting

what the fricke!
i don't even hate david fricke, but it seems like he should just call it quits on writing VU liners at this point. hasn't he said all he can say?
would prefer if they got someone interesting to write about the third record ... luc sante or somebody?

You should have done it!

Then again, curse of the sub-ed and all that...

fricke's liner notes for peel slowly and see were revelatory for me as a young'un...

put me in coach! i've been vu trainspotting for 20+ years now...

yeah, i think those PSAS notes are good

fwiw the liner notes are good, it was just that one little thing and it's right at the beginning and it jumped out at me.

the photos and gig flyers are amazing. haven't actually listened to the Matrix CDs yet, just got it yesterday.

This 6CD thing is a revelation. I mean, all the live Matrix stuff is amazing enough, mixed crystal clear, after decades of dodgy audience recordings this is like thunder from the heavens. Complaints about the incomplete nature of this set are legit (I think there were four nights taped?), and I am resigned to all of it coming out in five years, but whatever. I just wish there was more banter besides the instant-classic intro to "I Can't Stand It" - I may have missed something my first time through, though.

On top of all that glorious live material, the individual mixing decisions on the 1969 sessions disc seem very well thought out. Guitars sound so good on the new mix of "One Of These Days', all kinds of cool things I'd never noticed. second guitar seems much more prominent on the new mix of "Lisa Says" as well. Pretty much everything sounds better than/as good as the VU/Another View versions - I think the ones that have new mixes were never properly mixed down in the first place, as opposed to the ones w/original mix acetates? It's so confusing. The new mix of "Coney Island" in particular has much better vocals w/o the effects, you can practically see a young Jonathan Richman taking notes. The original mixes suit "I'm Sticking With You" and "She's My Best Friend", the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" really brings out the guitars again, fuck this whole disc is like a new listening experience!

GIVE ME ALL THE MATRIX TAPES NOW YOU MONSTERS

fwiw a single-disc edit is now on Spotify

ha yeah, i've got the two discs, i just mean, release every second of these things.
anyway, i like the new VU mixes for the most part EXCEPT Ride Into The Sun -- what is going on there? bass sounds out of whack for most of the beginning, kinda messes up the whole experience for me. i guess it's cool hearing a new mix, but it is definitely not my preferred version.