Velvet Underground Trainspotting Question

and even a little more chatter! haha. this doesn't sound radically different to me, just the drums are less boomy? everything's a little drier, I guess. i like it.

Yeah, it sounds pretty similar to the one on VU, with maybe less reverb on the vocals (which seem lower in the mix). I'm digging it, but it doesn't trample on my cherished childhood memories the way the new mix of "I Can't Stand It" did.

so the versions on that 1969 LP that sundazed put out a few years ago aren't this radically different right?

My understanding is that the mixes on VU, Another View, and 1969 are identical. I believe Sundazed used the 80s 2-track masters, as they were the only mixdowns of those tracks.

cool, yeah that's what i thought.

i'm confused. someone want to make a flow chart?

Sorry...ok, so...

- In 1985, unreleased Velvets songs were to be released on two albums, VU (1985) and Another View (1986).

- For these "new" records, the multitrack tapes of these songs were mixed down to 2-track for the first time; in the process, certain "80's" touches were added (e.g., booming reverb on the snare in "I Can't Stand It").

- In 2013, Sundazed issued a vinyl-only box called The Verve/MGM Albums.

- Included in the box was an album Sundazed assembled called 1969; this included tracks from VU and Another View.

- Because the only 2-track masters that existed for these songs were the mixdowns done in the 80s, those were the masters/mixes used for 1969.

- For the new self-titled 45th anniversary deluxe set, the producers have gone back to the original multitrack tapes to create mixes that are ostensibly true to 1960s, rather than 1980s, studio techniques.

(to add to the confusion, "Ocean," and possibly 1 or 2 others, was mixed to 2-track in 1969; this mix is on VU)

I've been following this for a few weeks being very confused - and slightly afraid to ask whats going on. Tarfumes to the rescue! I thought people talking about 1969 meant the Live commercially released album. Duh.

I'm only really finding my feet as a VU trainspotter. I went and bought into the V**can T> hype about the "Legendary Guitar Amps" LP and its lovely but not quite how I imagined. I'm going to get very drunk tomorrow and play it again.

start with the "Sister Ray"

as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VU

it makes me wonder where the mixes on the 'Etc" and "And So On" bootleg albums came from...

http://www.discogs.com/Velvet-Underground-Etc/master/660580

http://www.discogs.com/Velvet-Underground-And-So-On/master/613376

those comps were (relatively speaking) huge among the US VU fans I knew in the 80's, and they include "One Of These Days", "Foggy Notion", "Ferryboat Bill" and "I'm Sticking With You" - maybe they were taken from acetates? hell if I know, but there were versions that had been mixed down before VU/Another View were released.

btw Edward III (ILX Milk Carton alert) has argued most eloquently for the superiority of the Etc mix of ISWU, somewhere on one of the VU poll threads

thanks tarfumes for the breakdown!

Yeah, acetates. Which is why they would be 'rough, working mixes' sort of thing.

e.g. that's the off-key backing vocals version of "Stephanie Says", presumably they had another go at the BV's the next day, and that was all right then.

So, the rest presumably got 'finished' the same way. Which mix is better is in the ear of the beholder, obv.

(Still have not heard a 'not goofy bv's' version of "Temptation inside of your heart", but I assume one exists. It won't be better, but I'd still like it.)

Xpost yeah where is Ed III lately?

watching Adventure Time with his kid iirc

as i never had beef with the 80s mixes, you can call me moe tucker cuz iiiiim sticking with VU
haw yeah, i never really thought of them as too 80s, though these new mixes are throwing that aspect of them into relief. not gonna get rid of VU or Another View, they're both great.

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

I refer to it as Brother Lovers...

maybe i'm just trainspotty about this album, but man, why does every article about it just have flat-out wrong info?

I've always called it "the third album". But not just "Third".

yeah! oh well, it's not the end of the world. definitely one of the top 10 tragedies of all time though.

Third album or self-titled but I've never heard it called Third. It isn't Big Star.

EZ, it's on you to get absolutely nothing wrong in your review of this set. we're watching you!

I'll give no factual information whatsoever so I can't get it wrong.

maybe you can just do an interpretive painting or dance...

Mime.

"boy, this velvet underground album recorded sometime in the 1960s sure is good!"

"After hearing this record, you'll want to start your own band!"

more odd writing about this set -- does anyone actually refer to this album as "Third"?
http://www.theartsdesk.com/new-music/reissue-cds-weekly-velvet-underground

― tylerw, Monday, 17 November 2014 23:23 (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Some time back, University Challenge, music round...

Paxman: "You're going to hear some introduction music to bands' debut albums, I want the title of the album.

(some twinkly keyboard notes, fade..)
Student: "um, Is it the Velvet Underground?"
Paxman: "No, that's their third album, that was "The Velvet Underground and Nico"

(true story)

Nice little Doug Yule interview where both he and the interviewer refer to it as "The Grey Album" which I've never heard before, either.

http://noisey.vice.com/blog/the-velvet-underground-reissue-doug-yule-lou-reed-photos-live-footage

What is your relationship with the stuff that’s on there now? I know from previous interviews you have a sort of ambivalent relationship with rock n’ roll.
Ambivalent?

Maybe I read into it wrong. I am only going by old interviews. What’s your relationship to the lost album now? Is it something you wish had been released?
What lost album do you mean?

Well, the one that is referred to as that. I know you refer to it as just demos. Is that the last word now?
That was the intent going on at the time. You’re talking about the stuff that was recorded at MGM?

Yes!

I will never understand why Vice don't edit down their interviews. There's some great material there, but we didn't need to read the above interaction. Bonkers...

see also "while not losing site of...", ouch

heh, yeah, some good stuff in that interview for sure, but also some very unnecessary stuff. good to hear from dougie yule, though!

Did you see his response to "I hate music" Tanya?

New mix of live "Sweet Jane":

http://www.rollingstone.com/music/premieres/velvet-underground-early-version-sweet-jane-20141120

(I think this is the same performance as on 1969 Live, but not 100% certain)

where is the ibiza remix?

xp same performance, but the mix is definitely much improved...

well, different, anyway -- i love Live 69 so much it's hard to say anything "improves" it...

surely some balearic drums and a guest rap verse would improve it?

Yeah, I mean, I never thought of the sound on 1969 Live as something that particularly needed to be improved (except for the dubbed-from-vinyl tracks on the CD), but...I dunno, this sounds great and everything, but the original mix seems more intimate.

(I also love how that album is sequenced: he says "good night" after side 1!)

Listening to the new live stuff now. I'd heard the Matrix samples so had a sense of how clean they were, but hearing the full songs is just kind of unreal. They sound so good, it's hard to believe they aren't some recent production. I don't think I ever thought I'd listen to Heroin again with anything like fresh ears, but the version here is amazing...probably better than the album version. Expectations greatly exceeded. I'm sorry, but this just destroys 1969 Live.

so excited for this, I will be buying it next week

listened to the "highlights" disc of the matrix recordings last night -- oh man, so great. basically my favorite music ever.

and hey, here's EZ's review -- he didn't get anything wrong!
http://www.popmatters.com/review/188481-the-velvet-underground-the-velvet-underground-45th-anniversary-super/

Wellp, mine's just arrived.

.. and you know that little bit of guitar that's on the VU album but not any CD edition of "Foggy Notion" ?

It's Longer! From the slate to the end of the track!

Anyone seen this footage shot at the Boston Tea Party in 1967 (by Warhol no less )before?

yeah it floated around in trainspotter circles earlier this year. definitely fun to see, but also very frustrating.

trainspotting:

You would think Fricke would get the name of Lou's first single right, but no it is NOT "Leave Her to Me"

http://www.discogs.com/Jades-Leave-Her-For-Me-So-Blue/release/1256244

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