i didn't explore "how women must feel" in multiple posts. i quoted one person, and had a "cascade of posts" about how that influenced my feelings about how people defend songs. and yeah, i'm sorry for my posting style, it's obnoxious. i should take my time so that i don't have a bunch of addendums. But again, there was no "if i was a woman" shit going on at all. there was a suggestion that critics could stand to acknowledge subjectivity more and credit the artist less when they like a song that's got an undeniably gross lyrical element.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:24 (nine years ago) link
i agree! sorry for getting annoyed. worth noting that one of nick jonas' big inspirations for this record is in fact the weeknd so yeah skeeziness is text there
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:42 (nine years ago) link
oh and alfred otm, i was trying to figure out what specifically in post-disco "teacher" reminded me of
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:44 (nine years ago) link
i kind of wonder if i'm feeling a linda perry effect, where the sudden tolerability of an artist is so surprising that one's driven to unduly praise them for it. last i remember of this guy is him weedling miserably in front of the new power generation
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
and "Push" sounds like what Luke James triumphed with a couple months ago
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:46 (nine years ago) link
Based on one play through, I don't feel like it's 100% great, but there are enough songs I like to keep it in rotation for a while. Wish the Tinashe remix of Jealous was the album version.
― Johnny Fever, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
kinda the last dude i would have pictured making a decent futuresex/lovesounds rip. iirc his brother tried and failed a couple years ago.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
i mean my association of nick jonas is the same as some dude's, he cowrote amazing songs on the first two demi lovato records (kinda fun to see her on this record too)
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
"Teacher" is so great, destined for a good remix or five also
― Simon H., Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
yeah i always respected this guy's songwriting ambitions but thought he was forever burdened with wheatus voice
― da croupier, Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:49 (nine years ago) link
irl lol
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Wednesday, 12 November 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMb_cBv3iks
had to sing it with a gospel choir to drop "hellish" from the lyrics but really the line shoulda just been "it's my right i can't help it" to begin with.
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Friday, 14 November 2014 01:17 (nine years ago) link
sometimes i like "jealous" and sometimes not really, "teacher" is def good tho
― dyl, Friday, 14 November 2014 02:00 (nine years ago) link
I think the "it's my right" is more problematic than the "hellish"?
― Tim F, Friday, 14 November 2014 06:00 (nine years ago) link
"it's my right" is more problematic, "hellish" is more cringey
what is the first line of the chorus tho? difft lyrics sites i've seen have "i turn my cheek, music up" and "i turn my cheer music up", neither of which are good
― lex pretend, Friday, 14 November 2014 08:52 (nine years ago) link
I really like the album, and also 'Jealous', but the lyrics on 'Jealous' always remind me of a physically abusive partner trying to justify their abuse in remorse the morning after. I mean 'you're too sexy, beautiful and everybody wants a taste that's why i still get jealous' sounds like a guy who has beat his girlfriend for chatting to another man and then attempts to proportion a certain amount of the blame for his actions onto her.
I realise that the lyrics aren't directly relating to domestic abuse; however, they're so creepy and possessive that these are the images they conjure up for me.
― gregus, Saturday, 15 November 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah the whole thing is problematic but I was just talking about specifically how poor the hellish/jealous rhyme is
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Sunday, 16 November 2014 00:59 (nine years ago) link
the way he sings "hellish" is so annoying too, like even more than the rhyme
― dyl, Sunday, 16 November 2014 02:46 (nine years ago) link
lex, I would assume it's "I turn my chin music up" (see no. 2)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Chin%20Music
― Simon H., Sunday, 16 November 2014 03:00 (nine years ago) link
I find myself able to overlook the problematic lyrics on this one, just because it's so silly. It's jrhyming dictionary nonsense with no clear intent beyond scanning to the rhythm.
Also, I could be reaching, but the falsetto seems almost deliberately comic, as if it's poking fun at the obnoxiousness of the chorus
― Chuck_Tatum, Sunday, 16 November 2014 03:08 (nine years ago) link
i thought it was "i turn my G music up" for the longest time then i thought it was "i turn my cheek, music up" and lately i'm coming around to it probably being "i turn my chin music up" but at this point i feel like it could be just about anything.
― nakhchi little van (some dude), Sunday, 16 November 2014 04:14 (nine years ago) link
Chuck c'mon you're making it sound like radio free Europe or something. Get real.
― da croupier, Sunday, 16 November 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link
They just threw a bunch of words together to rhyme and it just happened to add up to a defense of aggressive jealous behavior blamed on a romantic partner's sexual desirability.
― da croupier, Sunday, 16 November 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
hi, woman in thread, do I have to be outraged about the lyrics because I'm really not
― katherine, Monday, 17 November 2014 00:31 (nine years ago) link
why don't you point out where in the thread someone said you have to be
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 02:18 (nine years ago) link
personally all i've said is that a) i enjoy the song b) the chorus sentiment is creepy and c) that it's a tad gauche to stretch for reasons it's not creepy instead of just admitting it's creepy and that you like it anyway
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 02:21 (nine years ago) link
i've decided i don't like it again, i just h8 the way he exaggerates some of the accented syllables so much
― dyl, Monday, 17 November 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link
As others in this thread have said he has a good way w/ making on-paper creepy lyrics sound low-stakes (or not desperate?) and therefore less creepy.
― Simon H., Monday, 17 November 2014 04:46 (nine years ago) link
Sorry, should have said "stretch for reasons he makes it not creepy"
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link
Or rather, ways he makes it not creepy. Could be said I'm mostly arguing semantics. The difference between "it's gross but I like it" and "I like it, so he must be making it not gross."
― da croupier, Monday, 17 November 2014 05:14 (nine years ago) link
I don't think it's gross, and I like it
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 17 November 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/_MAXWELL_/status/535191205102227456
― Murghan Troidor (some dude), Sunday, 23 November 2014 01:49 (nine years ago) link
:D
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 November 2014 02:08 (nine years ago) link
"listening to new @_MAXWELL_ album" -- no one in 2014
― J0rdan S., Sunday, 23 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
D:
― emo canon in twee major (BradNelson), Sunday, 23 November 2014 04:43 (nine years ago) link
http://www.thefader.com/2014/11/22/nick-jonas
v good discussion of this album and its issues
― lex pretend, Monday, 24 November 2014 14:26 (nine years ago) link
'personally all i've said is that a) i enjoy the song b) the chorus sentiment is creepy and c) that it's a tad gauche to stretch for reasons it's not creepy instead of just admitting it's creepy and that you like it anyway'
This is almost exactly how i feel about the song. It's one of my favourite songs of the year but the lyrics are incredibly possessive and creepy and i struggle to see how they could be construed as anything else.
― gregus, Saturday, 29 November 2014 01:39 (nine years ago) link
sonically "jealous" is an instant classic imo, lyrically, well... it's not too hard to ignore. he should just hire a lyricist (or a better one).
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 01:26 (nine years ago) link
TS: Nick Jonas's "Jealous" (rhymes with "hellish") vs. Chromeo's "Jealous" (rhymes with "fellas")
― Tove Lo Tove You Baby (jaymc), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 03:30 (nine years ago) link
man I'm not typically about Chromeo ever but their "Jealous" is great. lots of hooks in good stupid fun
― soyrev, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 04:31 (nine years ago) link
never heard the chromeo song but will rep for the dimples tee song using that rhyme
― dyl, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 06:01 (nine years ago) link
i just listen to the tinashe remix, which doesn't lessen either narrator being kinda dickish but does lessen the creepiness
it goes hand in hand with beyoncé's "jealous" to me, both songs in which the narrator tries to grapple with their own irrational jealousy and come out with different results that illustrate how jealousy as a legitimate emotion is gendered and framed within heterosexual relationships at this moment in time
― lex pretend, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 11:19 (nine years ago) link
tbh it's really easy for me to tune out the lyrics, especially since his way of singing them is so tasty and full of little hooks.
― I dunno. (amateurist), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 16:21 (nine years ago) link
I don't think this song is creepy.
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 14 January 2015 19:39 (nine years ago) link
the hooks def keep me listening when it's on the radio but it's starting to blur with "love me harder" in my mind
― da croupier, Wednesday, 14 January 2015 19:43 (nine years ago) link
don't get why, on a board comprised of people who generally are aware of the complicated history of popular music, pearls are clutched regarding a conceit finding the singer struggling —expressed explicitly within the song's text— that he knows that his behavior is questionable, he can't help it and is trying to address it. I feel this way several times a week. Don't you?
the list of songs (or indeed anything creative) that are great and contain sentiments that are in the long run not healthy, asshole-ish and should be discouraged re: interpersonal relations and in the public sphere stretches into infinity. Or rather: I like songs that reference bad behavior.
I really really liked it when I heard it but Tinashe's contribution makes it my favorite of 2014 alongside Ariana/Weeknd "Love me Harder," which also struggles with conflicting feelings, wanting to fuck someone, etc…
― veronica moser, Saturday, 17 January 2015 18:23 (nine years ago) link
otm post & this song is super classic
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 6 March 2015 02:20 (nine years ago) link
His OK falsetto keeps it from classic status and I prefer "Love Me Harder" but the song is dope.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 6 March 2015 02:24 (nine years ago) link
Didn't know where else to put this, but he sings the hook on this Sage the Gemini song and overall it's pretty great. It was hard to find. Guessing it leaked and they pulled it to polish it up because it sounds a little unfinished in parts.
https://soundcloud.com/unfluent-culture/sage-the-gemini-good-thing-featuring-nick-jonas
― Greer, Thursday, 16 April 2015 14:57 (nine years ago) link
New single
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X-V34Ly_Z4
― self-clowning oven (Murgatroid), Friday, 21 August 2015 07:53 (eight years ago) link
yeah it's not a flop or anything but it's been a slow mover
when i first heard it i thought it might have put him on a sort of second album ariana grande track but i guess not
i was wondering recently what's up w/ him cuz "jealous" was huge & he has fame credentials but he still was stuck doing the vmas preshow as tori kelly did the mainstage and his first ever tv performance of "levels" was on seth meyers and not the tonight show
― J0rdan S., Friday, 9 October 2015 17:25 (eight years ago) link
hard out there for a pat boone at #8 when little richard's at #1
― da croupier, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:26 (eight years ago) link
dude's got some hooks but does anyone actually buy his "now i'm dark & sexy" shtick for a second?
― da croupier, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:28 (eight years ago) link
i don't but i don't think he even really inhabits it enough for ppl to see the failure
― insufficiently familiar with xgau's work to comment intelligently (BradNelson), Friday, 9 October 2015 17:30 (eight years ago) link
yeah he's pulling off tindr&b well enough to have some hits, but he can't even compete with Sideshow Schlub in the charisma dept. somewhere deep down he just wants to make lite funk with the new power generation again.
― da croupier, Friday, 9 October 2015 17:34 (eight years ago) link
This is very Drake, take that how you will:
http://uk.complex.com/music/2015/10/nick-jonas-new-video-premiere-area-code
― Greer, Friday, 9 October 2015 19:34 (eight years ago) link
omg those moves are shameless
― da croupier, Friday, 9 October 2015 19:42 (eight years ago) link
meekly raises hand
i'm going to pretend like that new song doesn't exist though
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 October 2015 01:17 (eight years ago) link
i.e area code
We thought "Levels" was overall lame. I tend to think there are few things worse in pop than failed lightness, i.e. a guy who wants to be Bobby Brown but sounds like Glenn Medeiros.
― The burrito of ennui (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 10 October 2015 01:28 (eight years ago) link
based on the way things are gaining it does look like "levels" will be a hit
kinda surprised tho b/c it sounds so... weak
― dyl, Saturday, 10 October 2015 05:59 (eight years ago) link
going to disagree with you there
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 10 October 2015 10:41 (eight years ago) link
the announcement video for the single's upcoming premiere was better than the single
― dyl, Saturday, 10 October 2015 15:32 (eight years ago) link
RIP Nick Jonas' shred career
http://www.metalinjection.net/av/nick-jonas-attempts-guitar-solo-fails-miserably
― Neanderthal, Wednesday, 6 April 2016 02:52 (eight years ago) link
lol at how 'area code' just dropped off the end of the earth
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 May 2016 15:09 (seven years ago) link
and lol ^ at the above. he really is such a plank of wood.
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 May 2016 15:18 (seven years ago) link
he'll run for office one day; calling it now.
― dc, Friday, 27 May 2016 15:24 (seven years ago) link
i don't think "Area Code" was ever worked to radio or anything, it came out while they were still pushing "Levels" (which got a big push and stiffed for real)
― some dude, Friday, 27 May 2016 16:29 (seven years ago) link
Well it had a video!
Levels is so good
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 May 2016 17:43 (seven years ago) link
Pro tip: It is too high to sing at karaoke if you are a baritone
― illegal economic migration (Tracer Hand), Friday, 27 May 2016 17:44 (seven years ago) link