More followup on that KTSP story http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/07/mayor-betsy-hodges-gang-sign_n_6120650.html
― 龜, Friday, 7 November 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
white republicans on the internet have a surprising depth of knowledge of gang signs in 2014
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 7 November 2014 16:32 (nine years ago) link
we made it!
― caucasity and the sundance kid (goole), Friday, 7 November 2014 18:55 (nine years ago) link
https://twitter.com/DLAGPrez/status/530727433776164865
― goole, Friday, 7 November 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
creep tv reporter wasn't "fooled" by motivated police sources if he wanted to be fooled
https://twitter.com/webster/status/530602073255972864
― goole, Friday, 7 November 2014 19:13 (nine years ago) link
always down for a S/W joke
https://twitter.com/NickHannula/status/530800149963243520
― goole, Friday, 7 November 2014 19:15 (nine years ago) link
Lmao
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 7 November 2014 19:38 (nine years ago) link
I posted this story to Facebook and one of my douchebag conservative former coworkers posted "Damn Koch brothers!"
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Friday, 7 November 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
Oh goody, they're all taking the day off from casting aspersions on Somalis.
― resting rich face (suzy), Friday, 7 November 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
DJP can you make heads or tails of this, or is it "lol liberals"
― mh, Friday, 7 November 2014 22:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/11/06/i-taught-my-black-kids-that-their-elite-upbringing-would-protect-them-from-discrimination-i-was-wrong/
― 龜, Friday, November 7, 2014 3:29 AM (Yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
This almost reads like bad satire of Boule black folk . For someone so well educated his outlook is impossibly naive and I struggle to believe he genuinely thought he could buy and affect his way out of racial prejudice.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 8 November 2014 00:57 (nine years ago) link
1. There are so many black people at Ivy League like this, it's amazing. 2. Once you cross a certain economic threshold, particularly if you have an Ivy League degree to your name, you can exert enough influence on your social contexts (and sometimes your professional contexts as well) that you can remove 95% of the noticeable racial disparity from your everyday life.
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Saturday, 8 November 2014 03:33 (nine years ago) link
Also re: the KSTP thing, I now know why it was my parents' least-favorite local news channel.
― kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Saturday, 8 November 2014 03:34 (nine years ago) link
People's faith in capitalism is p much always misplaced
― Οὖτις, Saturday, 8 November 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
It did seem like he was playing a bit of the faux-naiïf or gilding the lily - like the original target publication for this was Princeton Alumni Weekly or w/e
Like I think he knew who his audience was before writing it
― 龜, Saturday, 8 November 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
xp1. Yeah I've got relatives like that but I guess they're odd in so many other ways that it doesn't really stick out as part of a noticeable trend plus other black ivy leaguers I know aren't that way at all.
2. Its not so much a racial disparity at play here; the privilege of elite education + money can allow you to bypass a lot of systemic discrimination, but this isn't so much about 'navigating a system'. Here he's referring to specific incidents of verbal abuse and an interposing consciousness of race in daily interactions. He taught his children they would never have to deal with any of that because of their privilege and good manners. "Racial abuse is something that happens to other black people not as good, decent and rich as us, who don't play by the rules." He has essentially instilled in his kids the the idea that racial abuse occurs as a direct response to things that black people do and not because racists are prejudiced and ignorant, and its amazing that dude doesn't seem to fully comprehend why this is so harmful even beyond his sons reaction to the ordeal.
The places where I experienced the worst verbal abuse and ignorant nonsense from white people were boarding schools in the US and UK so while I scoff at his father's convictions, I genuinely feel for his son and I can entirely relate to his insecurities as a young teen trying to temper his racial identity in an environment that can potentially be hostile towards it or misunderstand it. I remember times I bristled but held my tongue because I knew my anger wouldn't resonate with the pervading experience of those around me and I'd be viewed as a pariah. That being said I never felt compelled to understand or legitimize the logic and motivations of racists. My parents didn't necessarily go out of their way to instill in me a great sense of pride but they taught me not to take the existence of racism as cause to look inwards or alter our behaviour. to that end he has to see how he's doing his kids no favours. He struggles to explain abuse to his son not because its particularly complicated or mystifying but because he has willfully blinded himself to the dynamics of racial prejudice.
Also I refuse to believe that his mother actually put chicken and watermelon in his lunchbox when he was a kid. Its stuff like that throughout that makes the thing read like an ill considered but weirdly elaborate Onion article.
― tsrobodo, Saturday, 8 November 2014 16:38 (nine years ago) link
http://features.columbiaspectator.com/eye/2014/11/06/studying-while-black/
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 01:28 (nine years ago) link
It would be a shame for that article to be ignored because of the awful, awful writing.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 09:15 (nine years ago) link
Wow you criticized a college student for their writing. You're fearless
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 12:46 (nine years ago) link
Wow, you sure stuck it to The Man (me), my brother in fearlessness.
I only commented on the writing because the article is very, very difficult for me to read w/o rolling my eyes at the writing, and it is not a subject I want to roll my eyes at.
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
But you're right, Columbia isn't known for its journalism program, is it?
― Three Word Username, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
I think it's a curiously unengaging article given the subject matter but I don't have a particular issue with how it's written. I'm just fatigued by confirmation that being smart doesn't matter.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
Yeah this piece and the Washington Post piece really drive home the fact that respectability politics is a shell game
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link
I don't get what's so bad about the writing?
xxxp Oh okay.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
ven in every mildly heartening, on-the-spot victory like Walker’s, many black students walk away with the distinct impression of a racist social system that extends beyond the confines of whatever words they exchange with a uniformed guard
Even when you win, you lose. It must be exhausting.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/11/navell-gordon-kstp_n_6141238.html
Navell Gordon from 'Pointergate'
― 龜, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 23:37 (nine years ago) link
Remember the argument we had last year about whether Kim Kardashian was white?
http://thegrio.com/2014/05/08/kim-kardashian-racism-baby-north/
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
Does lex even check this thread
― 龜, Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:43 (nine years ago) link
the kardashians are white - just look at how popular their show is
― you are not a better writer than f. scott fitzgerald. you are not a b (k3vin k.), Wednesday, 22 May 2013 15:19 (1 year ago)
― milord z (nakhchivan), Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
Not since the Dzhokar Tsarnaev argument, apparently.
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Thursday, 13 November 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link
The Kardashians are secret Muslims?
― Nhex, Thursday, 13 November 2014 16:00 (nine years ago) link
http://www.theawl.com/2014/11/serial-and-white-reporter-privilege
interesting to see a discussion like this take place in the comments of a well-heeled section of the awl rather than the typical easy targets
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 13 November 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
It gets worse. Also in the second episode of Serial, Koenig reads passages from Hae’s diary. Koenig notes, “Her diary, by the way—well I’m not exactly sure what I expected her diary to be like but—it’s such a teenage girls diary.” (My emphasis added.) This statement seems to suggest a colorblind ideal: In Koenig’s Baltimore, kids will be kids, regardless of race or background. But I imagine there are many listeners—especially amongst people of color—who pause and ask, “Wait, what did you expect her diary to be like?” or “Why do you feel the need to point out that a Korean teenage girl’s diary is just like a teenage girl’s diary?” and perhaps, most importantly, “Where does your model for ‘such a teenage girl’s diary’ come from?”
This is kind of a weird reading. Seems like she was saying "I read a murdered girl's diary and was surprised that it was just your standard teenage girl's diary. But then, what was I expecting?"
― ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 November 2014 00:09 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that seems like a weird thing to pounce on.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 15 November 2014 00:13 (nine years ago) link
I dunno, that's something you probably get more attuned to when you're not the norm, and people are always going around like "Your English is so good!" or whatever, all the time.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 15 November 2014 00:34 (nine years ago) link
kind of a weird way to put it. i imagine many listeners would have thought that. okay. i agreed with other parts of the article while still thinking koenig did a decent job with this stuff but i interpret the diary comment to be like, wow, i'm reading stuff a dead person wrote, and it's just like a normal teenage girl.
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 15 November 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, me too. But I'm open to being told that things that I don't see holding meaning can hold meaning for ppl whose experiences are different. Obv?
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 15 November 2014 01:03 (nine years ago) link
Haven't heard the podcast but I think he points out that it's the accumulation of little things like this, coupled with the judgment of Chaudry, the person who originally reached out to Koenig about the story, that Koenig is not coming at this story the right way
Agree that the examples he gave are sort of limp on their own (esp to someone who hasn't heard the podcast) and it's very possible that they ring more resonantly to someone who's familiar with the material + talked to Chaudry
― 龜, Saturday, 15 November 2014 01:50 (nine years ago) link
word yeah i agree, maybe not the best example but kind of beside the pt.
full disclosure im a "fan" of JCK but I think he's done a nuanced take on this ... at some level i get some of the consternation in the comments bc its like, well, unfortunately not everyone can go to book-length detail on every reported story, and the problem is quite evidently at the level of hiring practices & opportunity throughout the system which isn't something an individual reporter can answer for; as a reporter, you have to be able to step out of your comfort zone bc its the nature of the job, a foreign correspondent is by definition an outsider ... that said i'm not sure how you operate a lever on those hiring practices without calling out examples of the drawbacks of predominantly white staff when u see them. alternately if the point is 'do better by your subjects' then obv that's something everyone can get behind but doesnt really answer the concern about diverse news rooms, or implies that knowledge/experience can 'make up' for a lack of diversity which is obv also not the case ...
idk, interesting subject / nb i have not listened to the podcast but it's been fun watching the responses as they mutate
― deej loaf (D-40), Saturday, 15 November 2014 04:03 (nine years ago) link
There's def. something to be said about a white reporter trying to throw in doubt the verdict of a majority black jury and cast a bunch of guilty vibes at Jay, the black kid who testified against Adnan.
― ILoveMeconium (President Keyes), Saturday, 15 November 2014 10:50 (nine years ago) link
http://urltv.tv/nigga-please-a-response-to-piers-morgan-by-talib-kweli/
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Saturday, 15 November 2014 15:03 (nine years ago) link
Good read.
― Johnny Fever, Saturday, 15 November 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Yes that is very good
― a pleasant little psychedelic detour in the elevator (Amory Blaine), Saturday, 15 November 2014 15:27 (nine years ago) link
That looks like a stolen content farm version. Original is here https://medium.com/cuepoint/nigga-please-93b5d29a615
― jenny holzer, ilxor (mh), Saturday, 15 November 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link
good article +1
― Nhex, Saturday, 15 November 2014 18:18 (nine years ago) link
hmmm http://jaimegreen.net/post/102812521331/the-problem-with-the-problems-with-serial
― deej loaf (D-40), Monday, 17 November 2014 13:17 (nine years ago) link
bang bang https://medium.com/@jaycaspiankang/the-problem-with-the-problems-with-the-problems-with-serial-bf50970772af
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 02:13 (nine years ago) link
yeesh whole thing got ridiculous quickly: http://observer.com/2014/11/no-privilege-needed-in-defense-of-serial/
free jay kang
― deej loaf (D-40), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 07:46 (nine years ago) link
deej have you listened to the podcast in question yet
― ✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
i wont guarantee its 100% free of problematic narration but i will promise you its a more rewarding experience than reading and sharing multiple think-pieces about a program you have not listened to yourself
― ✓ out this insane nakh yall (gr8080), Wednesday, 19 November 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link