2008 Primaries Thread

Tiger on Barack - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080130173847.suv5kt02&show_article=1

Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%."

both of these look like ways of avoiding "doing the 'most likely' and 'closest' math" to me. it doesn't seem like a hard thing to at least figure out which issues are important to you and then finding out if there is a candidate with a reasonable chance of taking the office who matches what you think about them. if nobody fits, fine.

- voting is a about selecting the option which is most likely to give the result closest to your beliefs. how you do the "most likely" and "closest" math is up to you, but asking for one flick of the lever to give you the big rock candy mountain seems worse than stupid to me.

- Bit of a strawman - I've never seen a soul who thought that voting should be a process whereby they got to vote for their Ideal Candidate.

(a) that latter is misinterpreting the former
(b) we had a thread about Nader, back in the day, where several people were saying exactly this -- that they felt a responsibility or duty of conscience to vote for the candidate they most agreed with, without regard to what practical effect that was most likely to have on the world

we had a thread about Nader, back in the day

zing?

That last one looks like some sort of Christian traveling salesman.

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0785271368.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_.jpg

How is it a misrepresentation? Voting for an ideal candidate vs. voting for the candidate who'll give you "the big rock candy mountain"????

Candidate "they most agreed with" is neither the Ideal Candidate nor the "Big Rock Candy Mountain candidate" - not that I see how the two are different.

It also kind of fits in with the part you didn't quote - "Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%.""

the first truly multigendered candidate

-- elmo argonaut, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:30 PM (Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:30 PM) Bookmark Link

You're forgetting somebody:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/e/1/giuliani_trump_drag.jpg

An outtake from Ghosts Can't Do It II -- The Dark Side.

THIS MAKES TEH CHOICE CLEAR

Hulk Hogan does not endorse. Hulk Hogan tells you how it's gonna be.

I'm sure this has been posted before, but this is a very effective sounding ad. Let's hope there is a barrage of equally-cutting ads over the next week.

Tiger on Barack

i smell fanfic

"trusted in times of crisis"

GO ON MENTION 9/11 ONE LAST TIME.

I thought they'd forget to mention 9/11, but, phew, McCain managed to work it into his statement.

the Beeb: "this was an extraordinary declaration of love; I don't believe I've ever heard something so passionate"

hannity spent the whole first hour of his show today pretending to be pro-mccain, having "seen the light" that the GOP needs to "modernize."

he even took calls from listeners who were all pissed at him for selling out.

then he was all lol jk

Nader is getting ready run. I hope Dobbs enters the race just to fuck up shit for the right wing!

Dobbs will become my new hero if he does (even tho I hate him).

Dobbs: I'd be a 'Candidate of Last Resort'. Still, he says, "Never say never."

Okay, now I'm imagining Lou Dobbs singing Romeo Void songs.

http://www.losblogueros.net/mt-weblog/fotos/lou%20dobbs.jpg

"I think it would be better
If we...SLEPT together."

lol

I hate you Ned, for making me think about Lou Dobbs sex.

Could be worse. Could be Glenn Beck.

Ew.

Glenn Beck hate sex.

Obama coming to Minneapolis on Saturday!!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/minneapolis

<3 <3 <3 ron paul for sonning mccain & romney

McCain's distortions are making Romney look good in this debate.

Okay, now I'm imagining Lou Dobbs singing Romeo Void songs.

"A Spic in Trouble (Is a Temporary Thing)"

http://mediamatters.org/static/images/item/dobbs-20070803ssa.jpg

lol dobbs

Obama's angle is greater than 90 degrees!

clinton + obama + mccain + romney + huckabee + nader

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/presidetn.jpg

behold

oh, and ron paul is in there somewhere, too

looks like it has braces

kinda

alan alda~

http://imagecache2.allposters.com/images/pic/MMPH/175855~Steve-Martin-Posters.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/presidetn.jpghttp://www.musicobsession.com/Pictures/m/i/misterrogers369241.jpg

Old white guys smilin'.

(McCain/Rudy 08!)

McCain's distortions are making Romney look good in this debate.

Have to agree - I don't know which one is actually giving the real story, but Romney's very organized, point-by-point comebacks made it seem like an open-and-shut case.

WELL GOOD. GO MITT.

Meanwhile, Lou Dobbs refers to the 'so-called Latino vote.' Matthew Yglesias asks the right question: "So what does he (Dobbs) call it?"

TPM seems to think Romney got beat in this debate, or at least that he faded badly at the end. Depressing if true.

Synchronized smirks!

http://www.latimes.com/media/alternatethumbnails/photo/2008-01/35025466-30190101.jpg

Do you link every Yglesias blogpost? xpost

Sorry to over-read tea leaves, but Romney's smirk screams "despair and resignation," while McCain's smirk screams "I'm finally almost free of all you dummies."

Hardly, but I do like Yglesias.

I like to think they're both making fun of Ron Paul's nose.