maybe taylor swift has an exclusive contract with beats?
― strychnine, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link
that's definitely a potential outcome, esp considering taylor herself hasn't made any big political statement re all this, just big machine
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
good way to kill the competitors for the paymaster?
― strychnine, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
its so obvious why someone of her stature WOULD do this that it seems weird she'd ever consider putting her stuff on spotify at all
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link
well as with metallica, rhcp, the john lennon estate, the advance might make it worth her while.
what's funny about any degree of backlash beyond "aw man my playlist went grey. rats." is i don't know why anyone would begrudge her maximizing her revenue from albums, as it's yet to be any worse than "you have to pay normal album price to get the album." it's just some people in 3 years decided they were entitled to all music ever for the monthly price of a happy meal.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:44 (nine years ago) link
also while it's still profitable to stick to cds and mp3s, if streaming becomes the standard eventually you won't have fans with mp3/cd players.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link
hold-outs like bob seger clearly control their rights contractually, i'm curious whether coldplay, the black keys, etc actually do or if their labels do the real weighing of the matter. like if peter buck was like "fuck spotify, pull rem albums off streaming" could warner bros be like "no, your used cds sell for a buck asshole, we'll take the pennies where we can?" with labels having equity in spotify they might be judicious about which acts get to be singles-only and which have their album sales sacrificed for the good of the eventual ipo.
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link
david byrne has said he can't legally remove talking heads albums but he would if he could
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link
it's just some people in 330 years decided they were entitled tostuck paying $15-25 for all musican album
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:04 (nine years ago) link
hope the apps don't go away
the Blue Note app is one of the most awesome thing's that's been done in digital distribution of music
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:07 (nine years ago) link
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Monday, November 3, 2014 3:04 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
^^this really isn't fair it's not as if they haven't been doing much lower price points on itunes, amazon, and google music. i've DL'd new releases for $2 or gotten old catalog stuff for $5 all the time
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
Yeah I mean if swift says her albums will now cost 25 bucks then yes I would say that sucks
― da croupier, Monday, 3 November 2014 21:17 (nine years ago) link
― There Goes Ryan's Scion (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, November 3, 2014 4:07 PM (11 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
describe?
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 21:25 (nine years ago) link
http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/blue-note-records-spotify-app-streamlines-jazz-discovery-20120912
― koogs, Monday, 3 November 2014 21:37 (nine years ago) link
well that looks incredible.
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:10 (nine years ago) link
What struck me was how innovative Jimmy Smith was
Spotify learnt me this too
― example (crüt), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:12 (nine years ago) link
im not sure how to install any of these apps?
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:14 (nine years ago) link
oic never mind, took spotify a second to realize i had already downloaded the desktop client
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:17 (nine years ago) link
genuine astonishment at this blue note app
― Raccoon Tanuki, Monday, 3 November 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link
yes but why do you hate it
― Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
im genuinely bummed that it looks like this after being open for 10 minutes lalready
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/366364/Screenshots/yxav.png
― socki (s1ocki), Monday, 3 November 2014 22:35 (nine years ago) link
Daniel Ek feels put upon.
https://news.spotify.com/us/2014/11/11/2-billion-and-counting/
― Ned Raggett, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 14:59 (nine years ago) link
he talks like the alternative to spotify is 100% piracy
― koogs, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:20 (nine years ago) link
i don't understand why youtube isn't coming up in any of these discussions
― maura, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link
tl;dr version
1. the music industry was corrupt long before we gave it 25% ownership of our company, don't blame us if you signed a shitty deal.2. most tech companies exploiting the music industry don't give it anything, our deal is WAY better than The Pirate Bay.3. if we don't sound good as a revenue replacement for music purchases, pretend we're just a revenue replacement for radio. That also replaces music purchases. Not that we do! I mean, we might when if we get to the projected user rate we use to suggest one can survive on the royalties we give. But we haven't yet! Also Pirate Bay.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
Feel like that whole thing was a dog whistle for bigger artists to hit them up for some equity/advance before they go whining
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link
It's difficult for me to feel I'm contributing to the evils of Spotify considering that I still buy upwards of 50 physical CDs a year
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:06 (nine years ago) link
^^^ (buy vinyl for me)
― $0.00 Butter sauce only. No marinara. (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link
*but
From what I have read a lot of the problem is really the deals the labels negotiate with Spotify (really, the big ones -- the smaller ones have less leverage to negotiate deals anyway), which, as I understand it, are basically designed to give the labels as large a cut and the artists as small a cut as possible (and guess what, the labels are also investors in Spotify, so they're getting paid on both ends). It has something to do with "up front" payments vs royalty payments and how they are split up, I think. I read this whole congressional testimony about it given by the Jagjaguwar dude and now I forget exactly what it said, but you can google that.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:15 (nine years ago) link
I will not
(ignoring the correction in favor of the dumb joke)
― the farakhan of gg (DJP), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:17 (nine years ago) link
Yeah IMO in a world where the music industry was a union of profit-sharing labels and a matching union of musicians (hey I can dream), spotify would be no more "evil" than any other tech-startup designed for a buyout/ipo. It's the collusive deal with the majors that's exceptional. If one wanted to vote on music industry ethics with their dollar, it would make more sense to boycott major labels than streaming services.
That said, spotify could stand to be a fuckton less disingenuous.
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link
whoa has spotify just wildly increased their ads lately? i was just played 3 ads in a row after one song. played the next song and there was another 2 ads. one more song and another ad.
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link
just pretend it's a sandwich and give it five bucks already
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link
it's true
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
Pay $10/mo for the premium version, so worth it
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:41 (nine years ago) link
When do I get my family plan option??
― Jeff, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:42 (nine years ago) link
We actually pay for two subscriptions since we wind up using it at the same time a lot.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:45 (nine years ago) link
okay they are literally playing 2 or 3 ads now after almost every song. this is reaching pandora levels imo, that shit became so dumb (though i never really liked pandora anyways)
― marcos, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
has spotify just wildly increased their ads lately? i was just played 3 ads in a row after one song. played the next song and there was another 2 ads. one more song and another ad.
I wouldn't be surprised if Spotify pockets more money from free users than they do from subscribers.
― Johnny Fever, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:49 (nine years ago) link
Xpost we have two subscriptions too. A few weeks ago Spotify announced that family plans were coming so we'd only have to pay 15 a month for two.
― Jeff, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:52 (nine years ago) link
speaking of Youtube, has anyone else noticed that they started auto-generating music videos? as in, a shitty-looking picture of the album cover with the audio, and it says "Auto-generated by YouTube." sometimes it will be for the wrong band or just have a random clip of the song, sometimes full albums.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link
i just hope this googleplay is consensual
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link
nope
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 17:59 (nine years ago) link
i mean, i only noticed it because a bunch of videos for my music showed up the other day.
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:00 (nine years ago) link
and you didn't give streaming rights to google otherwise? i'd think with their desire to make google play a legit thing they wouldn't just be making illegal streams for funsies
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:02 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=495_732htoU
like this one has a link to google play at the bottom - i'd assume these videos are just an extension of whatever lets them have the song on google play
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:06 (nine years ago) link
oh that makes sense then, thanks. i just wish they didn't look so lame (and inaccurate).
― festival culture (Jordan), Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:19 (nine years ago) link
yeah it would seem you might be a test case
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:23 (nine years ago) link
can't find any "rejoice! we are now data dumping to increase the amount of streams we can report" articles so this is probably still in a sort of beta
― da croupier, Tuesday, 11 November 2014 18:25 (nine years ago) link