Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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sorry. that was dickish. but yeah, this is very much a thing.

resulting post (rogermexico.), Thursday, 23 October 2014 22:44 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, a lot of this stuff is straight ressentiment on the level of NRO-zealotry. I can't remember if Frank Schaeffer or whoever coined the term but we're looking at another case of people being "victimized by modernity." Shit has changed and they're just beginning to twig that everything ain't what it was.

Michel Houellebecq wrote that HP Lovecraft had to "fail at life" before he could start churning out weird horror of a cosmic scope, but these guys don't exhibit jackshit for creative ability to filter or sublimate all that internal discontent into anything other than increasingly graphic threats. I don't necessarily think that in 20 years they'll all be those militia types who move to N.Idaho and broadcast on shortwave radio, but I'm damnsure plenty will have shared ideological & narrative aspects.

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Thursday, 23 October 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link

Hey Idaho deserves better than to be assoc w/gamergate :(

Walter MIDI (Crabbits), Thursday, 23 October 2014 23:57 (nine years ago) link

o for the days when nerds gathered in sewers and killed each other in satanic role-playing games

mookieproof, Friday, 24 October 2014 00:20 (nine years ago) link

Sorry Couer d'Alene, but you got all the neo-nazi/supremacist-types that were chased out of Portland in the early 90s

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Friday, 24 October 2014 04:17 (nine years ago) link

nincompoop perpetrators, to the internet!

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 24 October 2014 08:07 (nine years ago) link

<I>I can't remember if Frank Schaeffer or whoever coined the term but we're looking at another case of people being "victimized by modernity." Shit has changed and they're just beginning to twig that everything ain't what it was.</I>

There is also a fair amount of "No, obviously things should change, but organically, as the market demands, not with these SJW's coming in with their jackboots and dfgdkdmlkmnlgdfgds"

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 October 2014 08:42 (nine years ago) link

FFVII lol: http://i.imgur.com/KSpYGnN.jpg

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 24 October 2014 09:32 (nine years ago) link

Was thinking yestreday how similar to 'gaming' these targeted email and harassment campaigns are

Like w/r/t the advertisers, taking a form letter and spamming it to dozens of advertisers and being good at finding email contacts / copying and pasting and changing names efficiently

The positive feedback loop that happens when Intel bows out of Gamasutra or when Gawker's advertisers get shook and #gamergaters think yes, I helped make that happen

Not too different than doing a raid in WoW maybe and teaming up on a boss

, Friday, 24 October 2014 11:42 (nine years ago) link

ahh these editors notes are very classic

What Male Game Developers Think of #GamerGate
THE ESCAPIST STAFF | 10 OCTOBER 2014 12:30 PM

Editor's Note: We have deleted the timeline originally presented in this article to avoid editorial opinion as much as possible. The goal of this introduction was to present some context behind these interviews, not to comment on the issues presented. We have also updated the title (the art is being updated at the moment) to "What Male Game Developers Think of #Gamergate" and encourage you to read the companion piece "Female Game Developers Make Statements on GamerGate, which was presented separately and anonymously at the request of those developers. (Exception: Crowned Daemon Studios includes both genders but is grouped with this list.) The goal was to offer game developers of all kinds a chance to have their voices be heard. If you're interested in the official stance of The Escapist, you may read these editorials.

Editor's Note #2: We have removed the testimony of Slade Villena, known as RogueStar, after we've received evidence that he has harassed some contributors to The Escapist. Due to our strong policy against all harassment and abuse, Villena's opinions will no longer be presented alongside those of his colleagues.

Editor's Note #3: We have removed the testimony of James Desborough, after we've received evidence that he has harassed some contributors to The Escapist. Due to our strong policy against all harassment and abuse, Desborough's opinions will no longer be presented alongside those of his colleagues.

Editor's Note #4: The Escapist removed the interviews of Slade Villena and James Desborough due to complaints (accompanied by what appears to be actual evidence) that Messrs. Villena and Desborough have harassed members of the online community, including certain of our contributors. While we cannot speak to the legitimacy of such of complaints, due to our strong policy prohibiting harassment and abuse we thought it best to simply remove the interviews.

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link

Editor's Note #5: We are total assclowns.

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 24 October 2014 14:41 (nine years ago) link

"Developers" represented:

-Stardock
-Manifesto Games
-Crowned Daemon Studios
-anonymous dev "Royale"
-James Covenant is a video editor and game developer. He is most famous for his viral YouTube videos "Star Wars Call Me Maybe" and "Captain Picard sings Let it Snow!" James is currently developing a puzzle game called Black-White. Black-White features a unique color-inverting mechanic.
-anonymous iOS developer "Scion"
-Warhorse Studios
- Some guy who worked at SOE and Verant (so I guess ex-EQ dev w/no job now)
- guy working on his first game "Project Assembly"
- "design consultant"/blogger
- "Industry veteran"
- anonymous developer "Oakheart"
- anonymous developer "Xbro"
- anoynmous dev "Glaive"
- anonymous dev "Roo"

WHAT A WHO'S WHO OF "GAME DEVELOPERS" VERY IMPRESSIVE TITO

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 October 2014 14:49 (nine years ago) link

Black-White features a unique color-inverting mechanic.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 24 October 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link

"Captain Picard sings Let it Snow!" <<< primo content

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link

- anonymous developer "Xbro"

hahaha

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 14:51 (nine years ago) link

This whole thing just makes me think that there are total losers in the world who are total losers for a good reason.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link

wasn't the stardock embroiled in some gnarly sexual harassment suit a couple years ago, complete with hilarious forums meltdown?

adam, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

stardock dude rather

adam, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

yup

Nhex, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

?

AKA Thermo Thinwall (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Friday, 24 October 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link

It's interesting to reread 'Backlash' by Faldui, as I did today. So much of this stuff has been there for a long time. There's a coincidentally appropriate quote from Margaret Mead in the book, that stood out for me "Maleness in America is not absolutely defined; it has to be kept and reearned every day, and one essential element in the definition is beating women in every game that both sexes play."

I kind of wanted to quote a part of it to people, but the significant paragraph became a significant page became a significant chapter.

Spaceport Leuchars (dowd), Friday, 24 October 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

it's funny I watched the old Swedish film I Am Curious (Yellow) the other night and in some parts the protagonist goes around interview (what appears to be) real ppl on the streets about social justice and stuff, and asks about women's equality with men and some a-hole dude says something like "well already it's happened, women are dominant in society now" or something and that was in 68

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, there's a lot of "Well of course everyone likes equality but we're there now, surely?" which, that song is so old!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B0uLVSsCcAA-8dF.png

Merdeyeux, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link

lol lol lol lol

seems legit

bizarro gazzara, Friday, 24 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link

Max Read, finally outed for the CIS White Male he is

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Friday, 24 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link

Ah man, I didn't know about Vox Day - might as well throw in the towel now.

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:07 (nine years ago) link

such inclusive
very diversity
wow

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:08 (nine years ago) link

hahaha
3 cis white males and 1 cis white jock

Neckbread (Will M.), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:22 (nine years ago) link

pretty forward-thinking of #gamergate to recognise jock as a distinct gender

Merdeyeux, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

Ernst Rohm
Gay White Male

Chimp Arsons, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:30 (nine years ago) link

p sure max identifies as a fast hedgehog

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:33 (nine years ago) link

CIS 'hog

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:34 (nine years ago) link

god bless

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link

lmao at the pic they used of slade villena

*salutes*
*eagle sheds single tear*
*american flag flutters*

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link

I also really like that they specify "Native American POC" for Vox Day - don't be fooled by the photo!

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link

If there's anything that makes social-justice types swoon and repent, it's invoking the American military.

Doctor Casino, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link

#GamerGate: has served its country
Anti-#GamerGate: ?

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

love 2 military, love 2 justice

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 16:52 (nine years ago) link

max looks like hes doing an "i dunno" shrug but its cropped out

am0n, Friday, 24 October 2014 17:01 (nine years ago) link

this is incredible

kissaroo and Tyler, too (DJP), Friday, 24 October 2014 17:02 (nine years ago) link

privilege: check

am0n, Friday, 24 October 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link

check... mate

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link

i'm so proud of max tbh

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Friday, 24 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link

for sure, great work

lag∞n, Friday, 24 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link

watching this unfold is like watching someone wrestle with a can of silly string

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 24 October 2014 17:06 (nine years ago) link

justine tunney going in

https://twitter.com/OccupyWallSt/status/525689010266853377

goole, Friday, 24 October 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link


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