Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

UMS, am I wrong in saying that there are "strong female protagonists" in all those games though?

yes in uncharted
AC kinda there was the Vita one set in New Orleans w/female lead
Legacy of Kain, man it's been awhile there were a few of those maybe?
Jak & Daxter kinda but i dunno you're really scraping the barrel to find one in that case
king's quest is a blind spot for me as i said

either way the point that the game industry has often had sexist, hyper-sexualized/objectified, and dumb portrayals of women -- and that by and large protagonists have been white males, is so completely objectively TRUE that you'd have to be some sort of moron to argue otherwise

i mean ppl are bringing up Lara Croft as a counter example, she is literally a female because when they were developing the first one, a programmer thought it would be more pleasant to stare at a hot female butt than a man's butt

King's Quest games suck

Also as though there being a handful of popular female protagonists makes a lick of difference in re the severe harassment of women who criticize gaming culture or get "too uppity" or something

KQ1 was Roberta Williams

Oh man, I'm disappointed they didn't mention Phantasmagoria

i have misremembered the lead in one of the Kain games being a woman. go figure. there was a rush of female protagonists in the wake of Tomb Raider's ridiculous success but not many characters that have hung on till current gen systems.
for non-gamers, it is perhaps instructive to recognize that Sony, the creator of the Playstation and arguably the most important company in console gaming, has claimed "Fat Princess" as their signature female character for the past five years.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MHjQzBwawNM

and she's not even playable!

I just remember with Jade Raymond, Ubi put her right out front for the promotion of the game and boy did she catch shit for it, even to the point of the horrible nsfw cartoon somebody drew

corey cole who co-created the quest for glory games was talking about gamergate recently, and he mentioned that roberta williams got hate mail for making a woman the protagonist of king's quest 4. the more things change, etc.

speaking of the more things change, here's jay smooth otm in 2012 and sounding like he posted this yesterday
http://vimeo.com/44117178

https://twitter.com/Sargon_of_Akkad/status/525314068870336513 aaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh

who cares about rape/death threats women get FREE IMAGINARY SWORDS

#notyourchitinshield

man I can't laugh at any of this shit at this point no matter how blinkered and childish it is, people are getting hurt out there and these fuckwits need to have their oxygen supply cut off

(their metaphorical oxygen giving them voice in the twitterverse/tumblrverse/blogosphere, not advocating the suffocation of teenagers)

Philip Burkhill ‏@philyburkhill 1h1 hour ago

@Sargon_of_Akkad My guild went out of its way to accommodate women, no rape jokes allowed etc

I sat across from someone on the bus this morning with a Social Justice Ranger pin on their backpack and I showed them my Social Justice Wizard pin that's on my lanyard right now. We had a moment. It was reassuring.

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Warlobster ‏@Gossenphilosoph 2h2 hours ago
@Sargon_of_Akkad Don't forget they would also see this as sexism. "You can't buy a womans love"-type of shit. You can't win.

war.......lobster

FREE IMAGINARY SWORDS

everyone heard this like that cure song in their head right

women. can't threaten to kill them, can't purchase them like commodities. amirite fellas.

lol biscuits

#winfail

this argument is exactly backwards from "journalistic integrity"

https://twitter.com/johndurant/status/525145389687910400

otm

Flipped through my roommate's GameInformer and found a pleasant, to-the-point Sarkeesian interview. Wonder if this is raising hackles or if the GG types have already long since checked out on GameInformer.

otm was to s.clover above, but goole is also otm

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yeah that guy is a trip

why are all these dudes so certain they understand perfectly how the world and everyone in it works?

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner

so much facial hair, so many greasy locks

Rich Lowry: The poll tax that wasn’t. Politico
IBD Editorials: Energy cost rise: A pledge Obama (unfortunately) kept. Investor’s Business Daily
Ron Meyer: 2014 is the year of the GOP's Millennial candidates. National Review
Joan Vennochi: ‘Populist’ Elizabeth Warren has consistently run interference for Fidelity Investments. Boston Globe
Jim Geraghty: Administration released illegal immigrants charged with homicide. National Review
David Jackson: Breaking Bad: Aide invokes ‘Heisenberg principle’ on Obama meetings. USA Today
Andrew Malcom: Pew study finds liberals far less tolerant of opposing views. Investor’s Business Daily
Howard Kurtz: Woodward and Bradlee on the pressures of investigative reporting. Fox News
Kimberly Kindy and Sari Horwitz: Evidence supports officer’s account of shooting in Ferguson. Washington Post
Willard Foxton: In a remarkably short time, drones have gone from an exciting technology to a completely mundane one. The Telegraph
Virginia Postrel: Oscar de la Renta’s last stand against slobs. Bloomberg

why are all these dudes so certain they understand perfectly how the world and everyone in it works?

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iirc the guy studied evolutionary psychology at harvard. can you even imagine.

the bio-determinist end of the right wing is real abyssal stuff

its funny cause theyre just telling each other made up stories then being all LOGIC

of course he's evo-psych

don't think i have the stomach for this, but

https://twitter.com/MattBinder/status/525361729552007168

"enjoy"

one of the really interesting things to me about #gamergate as a sociological phenomenon is how persistent and totemic certain phrases become - like obv its not a new debate tactic to dismiss opposing viewpoints as incorrect but things are always 'fallacies' or not 'critical thinking'. i mean i think the idea that these horrible trashslobs are the only people who see things as they really are is an entrenched part of the trunet mindset (lol normalshits) is p fascinating but not unique but the codified way they have expressing things is super interesting

ive been p fascinated with trunet communities since before #gamergate and i keep seeing glimpses of that mindset in #gamergate like there was a tweet by the one fedora dude that makes tentacle rape games about 'lames on the internet' but there are a lot (well not that many) dudes out there that truly believe that the dod developed arpanet as a safeplace for them to trade nudes of the girl in a cowboy hat from digimon. and people talking about facebook.com being 'cultural appropriation' - that having ceded 'rl' to the normals they 'deserve' the internet to themselves. and that even more than ethics in game journalism or having sjw values forced on them the very existence of 'candy crush saga' is an existential threat

this is kind of stupid but i remember being a kid and reading tad williams 'otherland' and thinking man the internet is going to be so cool in 20 years and instead of being totally l33t its just a place for white guys named noah to play fantasy football and pix of cats. so i can understand people who conceive of their world as being this diminishing, threatened place. i mean every darkweb chan ive ever been on is just people asking for advice on how to kill themselves, the core of #gamergate just makes me think of these dudes who are so sad and lonely and toxic and just severed from rl, from the norms and frames of reference that make sense to the people who live there. idk this stuff makes me so sad

yes the totemic use of smart-boy terms in sub-140 chara snippets is legit enraging to me

gem

https://twitter.com/TehDoh/status/525375845289189376

lol i'm sure she knows him well enough from Whedonverse events

Xp I like one of the retweets in that thread where someone is complaining that the story of day getting doxx'd is spreading so quickly and wah wah they're blaming gg CAN YOU BELIEVE THE INDIGNITY. these people are living on a different planet from the rest of us carbon based life forms

SJW false flag doxxing op obv

love 2 doxx

I've learned so many new words in the last 24 hours

This is all fodder for the F-Plus podcast to read dramatically

One thing I am noticing is that a lot of these guys REALLY resent or feel threatened by attractive women.