2008 Primaries Thread

not often that you get to say "New York Post OTM"

i think we've shown voting ad not voting means different things to different people.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/30/clinton-serenaded-by-the-black-elvis-in-arkansas/

get it?

BLELVIS IS NOT FROM LITTLE ROCK
THE TRUE BLELVIS WALKS THESE DC STREETS

I love the fact that the debate tonight will be in Simi Valley. How appropriate.

DAMN TIME MAGAZINE ALWAYS GETTING EVERYTHING INCORRECT

given that ted kennedy, the nypost and pretty much the entire democratic establishment is endorsing obama i guess all you guys know who to blame if hillary wins the nomination

white people

LEWINSKY

also, FEMININE SOLIDARITY

twatwafflery

POLAND

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e239/allocryptic/all4.jpg

romney + obama + clinton + mccain

i'm done so i'll stop now

omigod now Obama can show his face in the Deep South!

the first truly multigendered candidate

voting is a about selecting the option which is most likely to give the result closest to your beliefs. how you do the "most likely" and "closest" math is up to you, but asking for one flick of the lever to give you the big rock candy mountain seems worse than stupid to me.

Bit of a strawman - I've never seen a soul who thought that voting should be a process whereby they got to vote for their Ideal Candidate.

Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%."

and in this election, there won't even be a third-party candidate who isn't abhorrent (Cynthia McKinney, whichever asshole the LP throws out there)

I don't want to vote for Cynthia even as a meaningless protest vote!

wow that last one is amazing

one more, Elmo, throw some Huck in there for good measure

BLELVIS IS NOT FROM LITTLE ROCK
THE TRUE BLELVIS WALKS THESE DC STREETS

He's still around? Alive and well?

Interesting comment from a friend just now on my blog -- an expat who currently lives in Serbia:

funny thing about the US campaign abroad… no one knows, or seems to care about the republican candidates. they all know obama and clinton, but really, no one else. little time is spent even mentioning the names of the republican winners. as you can imagine, this country(serbia) is a bit queesy about another clinton holding the reigns and also having her husband back around. yes, this country despises them… something about crushing economic sanctions that still hurt, oh yeah, and those 72 days of bombing the bejesus out of this country too…

i demand that nader kucinich and ron paul are added to the morph -- otherwise i will retreat into my own personal underground bunker where my two cats will always love me

That last one looks like some sort of Christian traveling salesman.

Tiger on Barack - http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=080130173847.suv5kt02&show_article=1

Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%."

both of these look like ways of avoiding "doing the 'most likely' and 'closest' math" to me. it doesn't seem like a hard thing to at least figure out which issues are important to you and then finding out if there is a candidate with a reasonable chance of taking the office who matches what you think about them. if nobody fits, fine.

- voting is a about selecting the option which is most likely to give the result closest to your beliefs. how you do the "most likely" and "closest" math is up to you, but asking for one flick of the lever to give you the big rock candy mountain seems worse than stupid to me.

- Bit of a strawman - I've never seen a soul who thought that voting should be a process whereby they got to vote for their Ideal Candidate.

(a) that latter is misinterpreting the former
(b) we had a thread about Nader, back in the day, where several people were saying exactly this -- that they felt a responsibility or duty of conscience to vote for the candidate they most agreed with, without regard to what practical effect that was most likely to have on the world

we had a thread about Nader, back in the day

zing?

That last one looks like some sort of Christian traveling salesman.

http://ec2.images-amazon.com/images/P/0785271368.01._SCLZZZZZZZ_AA240_.jpg

How is it a misrepresentation? Voting for an ideal candidate vs. voting for the candidate who'll give you "the big rock candy mountain"????

Candidate "they most agreed with" is neither the Ideal Candidate nor the "Big Rock Candy Mountain candidate" - not that I see how the two are different.

It also kind of fits in with the part you didn't quote - "Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%.""

the first truly multigendered candidate

-- elmo argonaut, Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:30 PM (Wednesday, January 30, 2008 4:30 PM) Bookmark Link

You're forgetting somebody:

http://z.about.com/d/politicalhumor/1/0/M/e/1/giuliani_trump_drag.jpg

An outtake from Ghosts Can't Do It II -- The Dark Side.

THIS MAKES TEH CHOICE CLEAR

Hulk Hogan does not endorse. Hulk Hogan tells you how it's gonna be.

I'm sure this has been posted before, but this is a very effective sounding ad. Let's hope there is a barrage of equally-cutting ads over the next week.

Tiger on Barack

i smell fanfic

"trusted in times of crisis"

GO ON MENTION 9/11 ONE LAST TIME.

I thought they'd forget to mention 9/11, but, phew, McCain managed to work it into his statement.

the Beeb: "this was an extraordinary declaration of love; I don't believe I've ever heard something so passionate"

hannity spent the whole first hour of his show today pretending to be pro-mccain, having "seen the light" that the GOP needs to "modernize."

he even took calls from listeners who were all pissed at him for selling out.

then he was all lol jk

Nader is getting ready run. I hope Dobbs enters the race just to fuck up shit for the right wing!

Dobbs will become my new hero if he does (even tho I hate him).

Dobbs: I'd be a 'Candidate of Last Resort'. Still, he says, "Never say never."

Okay, now I'm imagining Lou Dobbs singing Romeo Void songs.

http://www.losblogueros.net/mt-weblog/fotos/lou%20dobbs.jpg

"I think it would be better
If we...SLEPT together."

lol

I hate you Ned, for making me think about Lou Dobbs sex.

Could be worse. Could be Glenn Beck.

Ew.

Glenn Beck hate sex.

Obama coming to Minneapolis on Saturday!!!

http://my.barackobama.com/page/s/minneapolis

<3 <3 <3 ron paul for sonning mccain & romney