Why is casual racism/sexism more accepted in video games than other forms of media (these days)?

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Nhex, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:14 (nine years ago) link

A thing: reading some twitter-threads and whatever-chan forums, I think it has to be said that a lot of people aren't from America. The mlk-guy was from the Phillipines, and I'd guess a lot are from Phillipines or South Korea. So really, it's not entirely true that they are all white males. Some of them are males from former authoritarian regimes, who are obviously nostalgic for back in the day.

Frederik B, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:28 (nine years ago) link

''All this harassment of women and creation of a threatening and unwelcome environment for non-white, non-male, non-straight people is really sketchy.''
''Oh, the harassers don't represent me. They're a lunatic fringe; to me, GamerGate is nothing more than a righteous crusade to eliminate the pernicious feminists and social justice warriors who are - and you may not be aware of this - infiltrating everything and willing to destroy gaming in order to get attention for themselves. You should watch my vlog series for details! By the way though, the harassers do have at least one good point: why SHOULD we sympathize with a woman who we KNOW cheated on someone, causing his mental breakdown AND doxxed herself because she is not a real gamer??? and yet GG supporters are censored for their beliefs and called MISOGYNISTS when none of us have ever generalized about anybody, but the MSM won't report on it when anti-GG people do it! That's the very DEFINITION of a conspiracy! But please don't respond until you've read these eight links.''

Doctor Casino, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:32 (nine years ago) link

Has this reached stasis now? Those kotakuinaction sorts seem bubble-bound & in tactical disarray.

Also, have they set up their own uncorrupt, actually objective game-review site? Because if I were in their world of blind idiocy that would seem a sensible thing to do (but then I suppose the SJW cartel would conspire to crush it)

(been following from afar, thanks to all in this thread for links & posts)

woof, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link

lol that was what I was wondering yesterday. instead of donating to charity to show they're not assholes or w/e, how come there's no fund for creating a new, independent games journalism site or some sort of counter-fund for game titles they think are being ignored?

I mean, they're mostly defending A-list titles with budgets in the tens if not hundreds of millions, though...

⌘-B (mh), Monday, 20 October 2014 14:47 (nine years ago) link

lol SJW cartel

Nhex, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link

xp won't someone please think of the Electronic Arts Corporation???

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Monday, 20 October 2014 14:54 (nine years ago) link

#pray4EA

lag∞n, Monday, 20 October 2014 14:55 (nine years ago) link

it's large multinational corporations that are the real victims in all this, happy now SJWs???

Barry Gordy (Neil S), Monday, 20 October 2014 14:57 (nine years ago) link

EA is actually very progressive as a corporation, they were well out in front of supporting gay marriage

and they've also allowed BioWare's Manveer Heir to be one of the most vocal, public advocates for social justice and minority representation in the entire industry

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link

I called out EA because they make a war game that is a big deal, which matters a lot more than their having a vocal public advocate for social justice

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:17 (nine years ago) link

oh ok i'll let him know

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link

yeah I know

but "the problem" with gaming isn't going to be helped if you can play a woman piloting a drone attack

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:25 (nine years ago) link

that probably depends on your def of the problem with gaming

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link

I took it that this whole deal is about men wanting to make sure hyper masculine games stay at the top of the gaming heap

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link

and they've also allowed BioWare's Manveer Heir to be one of the most vocal, public advocates for social justice and minority representation in the entire industry

sounds like EA might be the enemy, sjw advocacy!

⌘-B (mh), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:30 (nine years ago) link

i dunno there will always be war games imo, just like there will always be war movies, war in sort of inherently interesting to ppl always has been

the whole weird thing to me in this all is that nothing has to go away for something else to exist! that's the dumb part! there's totally a place for battlefield to be fun and for depression quest and gone home and candy crush saga and THREES! and all sorts of games, lots of times the same person might want to play any one of those at different times depending on their mood!

it's not some weird zero sum deathmatch

this mentality seems to be very prevalent in the #GG community, that somehow these small indie games will or even intend to destroy the "mainstream" industry, i think

here's some developer picking their best games of the generation, look at the picks of the 3 ppl from Fullbright Company who developed Gone Home,

http://media1.gameinformer.com/filestorage/CommunityServer.Components.SiteFiles/imagefeed/featured/features/endofanera/EndOfAnEra-DevTop5-pg2.jpg

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:31 (nine years ago) link

man the gamergate idiots must REALLY hate the dialog in borderlands: the presequel. in the first 6-7 levels a character apologizes for his misogynist use of the term "friendzone" in a hilarious way.

Ass Tchotchke! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:32 (nine years ago) link

then again, they probably mentally box it intomaking fun of the idea of misogyny. because they're super stupid.

Ass Tchotchke! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link

I am pretty sure I saw that cited, a+ work on the part of the Borderlands people for trolling :D

⌘-B (mh), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:34 (nine years ago) link

I'm actually curious if they added that in the first day patch, since the timing is so good.

Ass Tchotchke! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:36 (nine years ago) link

oh lol, they are all over the place being ultra butthurt, it's awesome

Ass Tchotchke! (jjjusten), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link

I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:45 (nine years ago) link

those gone home dev lists are cool! but none of them list the FPS games that are huge on multiplayer wherein kill ratios and the like the dominate. & I think GG discussion centers on keeping *those games* at the center of gaming discourse. like far cry 2 is a shooter but the weakness of your character is a long way from the hyper masculine nonsense of COD etc

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:46 (nine years ago) link

i hope all video games become as boring as depression quest so gamers are forced to find something else to do

example (crüt), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link

most of these guys probably hate COD for being too "mainstream" and not for "real gamers"

i think you're kind of projecting your own dislike of competitive FPS onto these guys

like bayonetta 2 is def the cause de jour right now since polygon panned it for sexism

but JPRG fans, wooof, man they will write the most vile shit to women believe me!

#GG ppl, at least the root ppl are way too "real gamer" to be huge battlefiend and CoD fans

u2 removal machine (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:49 (nine years ago) link

ok yeah I'm out of my depth here for sure, I really only play mobile games anymore

droit au butt (Euler), Monday, 20 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link

cld def see bad publicity resulting in some of the more grotesque violent/misogynistic aspects of games being curbed, like a company might think twice before releasing a game where you can patronize a prostitute then steal the money back and kill her if other games received media blowback for similar things, and that would exactly represent an impingement on gamergates vision of artistic freedom

lag∞n, Monday, 20 October 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

xp

you'd think they could have folded that into the 50-page thread

http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/70325026

woof, Monday, 20 October 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link

I played Tokyo Jungle all weekend, that was fun. Rolling thru post-human Shibuya with a crew of like 5 beagles

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Monday, 20 October 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link

tbf there are some good comments in that gamefaqs thread

Terrific ribbon, Moe (stevie), Monday, 20 October 2014 16:23 (nine years ago) link

>I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

i'm wondering this – what happened with the death threats? this lot doesn't strike me as being smart enough to cover their tracks.

Porto for Pyros (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Monday, 20 October 2014 16:25 (nine years ago) link

An amusing side-effect is that somebody come up with a Chrome extension that replaces every instance of SJW with skeleton

Stephen King's Threaderstarter (kingfish), Monday, 20 October 2014 16:39 (nine years ago) link

>I hope some of these fucks start going to jail tbh.

i'm wondering this – what happened with the death threats? this lot doesn't strike me as being smart enough to cover their tracks.

Presumably those targeted are not saying much under the advice of counsel/law enforcement. Online death threats are a good way to get the FBI knocking at your door though.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 20 October 2014 16:47 (nine years ago) link

yeah really not smart

lag∞n, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:08 (nine years ago) link

i honestly think a lot of this is going to melt away as soon as the first gg warrior is dragged out of his basement and into police custody. i am assuming that most of the guys who would threaten anti-gg voices are actually just cowards hiding behind their veil of anonymity and are not actually capable of the violence they claim. that's just conjecture though and i sincerely hope law enforcement is taking all such threats seriously

i'd rather be arrested by you folks than by anybody i know (art), Monday, 20 October 2014 17:19 (nine years ago) link

as soon as the first gg warrior is dragged out of his basement and into police custody.

i think this might shrink it but would intensify it, which is worse.

goole, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:21 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, dudes getting arrested tends to intensify and reinforce persecution complexes

Delbert Gravy (kingfish), Monday, 20 October 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link

yeah think a lot of these guys would love to add noble rebellion against a tyrannical (but emasculated) state to the list of awesome narratives they think they're irl enacting

difficult listening hour, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:29 (nine years ago) link

[–]JoeDonJackson 8 points 5 hours ago
I missed the boat... why is everyone spelling it JournoList ?

lag∞n, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:33 (nine years ago) link

r/GamerGhazi

difficult listening hour, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:34 (nine years ago) link

Blogger with a history writing about Game of Thrones and Boardwalk Empire suddenly takes on an "edgy" hit piece promoting anti-male narratives
Low-hanging tech writer makes a sudden switch into an anti-male narrative
General tech writer wtih no serious history of anti-male hatred, but is happily towing the line today
Opportunist who wants the world to have more females in tech, but can't seem to hire one for his top editor staff.

goole, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:47 (nine years ago) link

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Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 20 October 2014 17:51 (nine years ago) link

http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2jo5sx/a_word_cloud_of_107_antigamergate_journalists/

[–]ExposeTheCabal[S] 2 points 1 day ago

When 113 writers from over 100 different blogs all reference the same person within the same extremely narrow time frame? I'd call that damn good circumstantial evidence of collusion.

goole, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link

antae milkable

jmm, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:55 (nine years ago) link

er, i put these out of order; this is first:

[–]ExposeTheCabal[S] 1 point 1 day ago

107 articles, in which Joseph Bernstein is mentioned 91 times between then.

Obviously, he's a hub of distribution. So, start pulling BuzzFeed's ad revenue.

goole, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:56 (nine years ago) link

lol this was after he interviewed er0n wasn't it

anyway, more EVIDENCE

goole, Monday, 20 October 2014 17:57 (nine years ago) link


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