Bob Seger Reissue News

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Buying "sealed" means it "should be" in good shape when you opened it.

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 17:58 (eighteen years ago) link

oh okay...but then two minutes after my shitty-ass dusty-garage-sale-vinyl-readied stylus gets to it, the "good shape" is kinda of a moot point, too!

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:01 (eighteen years ago) link

I hear ya on that. On the other hand, sealed rekkids are most useful to collectors, who'll never break the sacred shrink wrap just so they can brag about having a mint "No New York" or "Back In '72."

Doobie Keebler (Charles McCain), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:06 (eighteen years ago) link

That's the only possible reason I can think of that someone would pay $150 for a CD in a sealed long box. Once you open the long box, the value is going to drop by about $140.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:07 (eighteen years ago) link

chuck, why don't you get a nice new record player with a new needle? you're a music critic, right?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:10 (eighteen years ago) link

people pay a lot of money for out of print CDs. It's crazy to me, but what the hell. That recent thread on this very topic was funny. $300 on Ebay for music from the Airwolf t.v. show on cd! But i guess if you think you can't find it and really need it... the idea of CD "collectors" is weird to me.Cuz all they have to do is put the damn thing IN PRINT again and your friggin' CD is worthless. There are only so many first pressings of records.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:11 (eighteen years ago) link

I am very clueless anyway about how much my vinyl is worth; I even always forget *No New York* (or modern dance or germ free adolescents or those rhythim is rhythm 12-inchs etc) is hard to find, since to me it's just been on my shelf for decades. A No NY copy at ebay is at $20 now; will it go much higher? (eventually i may have to think about this kinda thing, now that kids' college tuition is an issue.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4726134005&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:16 (eighteen years ago) link

i only end up with valuable lps and cds by accident. i sold a john cage thing on folkways for like $200 but i got it for $2 and had no idea how much it was worth.

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:19 (eighteen years ago) link

>chuck, why don't you get a nice new record player with a new needle? <

I did, late last year, when my old turntable completely stopped working! But all I play on it is used vinyl I find, usually, so the needle doesn't stay "new" long. And that sounds perfectly fine to me! I'm not gonna replace it every couple months; I have better things to spend money on, and it wouldn't make a difference to me anyway. I've never been an audiophile at all. Audiophiles are nuts.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

This copy of "No New York" went for $35, and it seems to be in worse condition than the one currently at $20:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=306&item=4719563460&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:21 (eighteen years ago) link

the idea of CD "collectors" is weird to me.Cuz all they have to do is put the damn thing IN PRINT again and your friggin' CD is worthless

That's true, but if you're talking about something like the Airwolf soundtrack, the chance of that coming back into print must be pretty close to nil, so it's a pretty safe investment for a collector.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Anyway, I guess I should look at that CD-collector thread, but one question I have about CD collecting is whether promo versions of CDs are worth a lot more than the actual CDs if the promos are in not in plain white covers with black lettering, but rather, in actual full-colored covers that are *different* from the ones on the CDs. My copy of the first Hanson CD is like that -- it has a cover, but it looks nothing like the one in the stores. (This only happened *very* rarely in vinyl days, as I recall -- like, I think there was a Herman Brood album once or something. Unless you count those Skynyrd/GnR things where covers *changed.*) The new Deana Carter and Shelly Fairchild promos are like that too (and come to think of it, my copy of the *first* Deana Carter has a *hologram* cover! I wonder if that is rare!) Plus there are all those weird, thin, SST promo versions in odd black and white covers with photos on them. Will those be worth lots of $$$ someday? Or does nobody give a shit? I'm slightly curious.

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:42 (eighteen years ago) link

Actually $300 is awfully cheap for that Airwolf soundtrack, according to this webpage:

http://www.airwolfthemes.com/awtworldrecord.html

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:48 (eighteen years ago) link

But on the other hand, with vinyl albums, aren't there lots of them where the copies where it says "promo" on the label (Metal Machine Music for instance, I think somebody told me once) are worth way less than actual store-released versions, just because way more promos were sent out than copies that wound up in stores? Collectors probably take this stuff for granted, but like I said, I am clueless.

xp

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:49 (eighteen years ago) link

what the hell is "airwolf"?

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:50 (eighteen years ago) link

It was a bad '80s TV show - a rip off of the movie "Blue Thunder".

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:52 (eighteen years ago) link

was the soundtrack especially interesting??

Amateur(ist) (Amateur(ist)), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

Wait, is Seger's early stuff on the Airwolf soundtrack?

Keith C (kcraw916), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:54 (eighteen years ago) link

was the soundtrack especially interesting??

I don't recall it being anything special, but that was a long time ago.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

xpost -
Haha- sorry for the thread derail.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 18:55 (eighteen years ago) link

I never even heard of Blue Thunder! (But Bob Seger did sing about thunder in "Night Moves," so there you go.)

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Airwolf vs. Blue Thunder

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:16 (eighteen years ago) link

One of the coolest promos i have is a vinyl radio promo from 1978 on orange vinyl of live elvis costello, nick lowe & rockpile, and mink deville. one side is capitol with the capitol label and one side is columbia with the columbia label! i've never heard of that happening again. a split 12 inch with two big labels like that. my brother had one when i was a kid and i found one in a thrift store years ago.

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:29 (eighteen years ago) link

i don't even know what this is, so i don't know why someone would pay 450 dollars for it:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=307&item=4725497713&rd=1

Sorry! Last one! Commence Segering!

scott seward (scott seward), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:45 (eighteen years ago) link

I guess if these examples prove anything, it's that scarcity is a much more important factor in collectible value than name recognition or critical esteem.

o. nate (onate), Wednesday, 4 May 2005 19:48 (eighteen years ago) link

four years pass...

This is some serious bullshit. Outside of "UMC" and "Get Of Denver," how is any of this stuff what anybody would want on a good "early Seger" compilation?? (Not that I go to Meijer's much nowadays anyway.)

http://www.billboard.com/#/news/bob-seger-raids-vaults-for-early-seger-set-1004033025.story

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:09 (fourteen years ago) link

The tracklist just seems totally random.

And wtf??: Highlights of the collection are four unreleased tracks, three of which -- "Star Tonight," "Wildfire" and "Days When the Rain Would Come" -- were written during the early '80s

I guess that's "early" compared to, like, the late '00s?

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:18 (fourteen years ago) link

weird. the track-listing is just weird. and dumb. and a wasted opportunity.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:25 (fourteen years ago) link

because, you know, most know bob seger from his recent work like....uh....um....he did a chevy ad a few years back right?

face it -- the guy does not want his early singles reissued. we will see them over his dead body, i think.

amateurist, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

i mean, don johnson throwaways? thanks, bob.

scott seward, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:26 (fourteen years ago) link

On the other hand, this is way beyond wishful thinking, but I can see how it might conceivably make some small sense from a business perspective -- Cut an exclusive deal with Meijer, pull a fast one on them by giving them all this useless crap that nobody wants, then save all the actual in-demand rarities for Walmart or Target or Cracker Barrel or somewhere...

xhuxk, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:46 (fourteen years ago) link

If he wanted to reissue Ramblin' Gamblin' Man or Back in '72 on CD, he could do it easily. His last album sold really well. But he doesn't want to, presumably because of some rights issue(s).

neither good nor bad, just a kid like you (unperson), Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:52 (fourteen years ago) link

My buddy put the song "Vagrant Winter" on a mix for me (he found the 45 somewhere in Chicago). It completely rules.
I have always wanted to hear "Heavy Music" but I'm beginning to think it will never happen.

Trip Maker, Wednesday, 4 November 2009 23:59 (fourteen years ago) link

that early stuff is floating around the interwebs. i managed to find it. if i can remember i can try to post it sometime.

amateurist, Thursday, 5 November 2009 00:01 (fourteen years ago) link

I would think "Heavy Music" would be by far one of the easier of those tracks to find -- Smokin' OPs was only reissued on CD four years ago. (See top of this thread.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 November 2009 00:07 (fourteen years ago) link

plus, if you just want to HEAR it, it's on youtube.

scott seward, Thursday, 5 November 2009 02:10 (fourteen years ago) link

i love most faux dylanisms, but bob's was top-notch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVG7hWLj-cg

scott seward, Thursday, 5 November 2009 02:14 (fourteen years ago) link

I love the idea of a Meijer exclusive though. Meijer Thrifty Acres - Why Pay More? Meijer is a union grocery chain and a lot of people in Michigan won't shop at Wal-Mart b/c of their anti-union stance. So the fact that Seger hooked up with Meijer almost outweighs this supremely dodgy track selection.

Mark, Thursday, 5 November 2009 02:19 (fourteen years ago) link

that is true.

amateurist, Thursday, 5 November 2009 03:21 (fourteen years ago) link

wow, re-recorded vocals, horns and other overdubs. what a sweetheart package!

there's a bootleg of seger singles called "'66-'67" that has the good stuff. also has "ballad of the yellow beret." and "santa's got a brand new bag."

a 40-foot-long electrified pickle (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 November 2009 05:18 (fourteen years ago) link

I didn't really think it would never happen.

Trip Maker, Thursday, 5 November 2009 06:17 (fourteen years ago) link

Meijer Thrifty Acres

aka Meijer's Shifty Fakirs when I lived in Michigan.

gonna skip this seger set in favor of the rationals reissue. "leaving here" is the equal of any early seger IMHO>

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Thursday, 5 November 2009 11:04 (fourteen years ago) link

LOL @ bob rockin' that headband

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Thursday, 5 November 2009 11:05 (fourteen years ago) link

i forgot about that rationals reissue. goddamn they were great.

a 40-foot-long electrified pickle (GOTT PUNCH II HAWKWINDZ), Thursday, 5 November 2009 13:01 (fourteen years ago) link

What Rationals reissue?? (Way skeptical that their best comes anywhere near Seger's best, but I like what I've heard. Scott Morgan put out a cool single in the early '80s called "16 With A Bullet" too -- I reviewed it in the Voice and interviewed him for Creem when it came out, but naturally I don't have it anymore.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 November 2009 13:23 (fourteen years ago) link

haven't heard this yet. looks like there's filler -- 2 cds but nothing from their 1970 album? anyway their singles are great garage rock.

http://images.amazon.com/images/G/01/richmedia/images/cover.gif

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Thursday, 5 November 2009 14:30 (fourteen years ago) link

sorry about that ^^ (mods feel free to delete)

http://therisingstorm.net/audio/thinkrational.jpg

chief rocker frankie crocker (m coleman), Thursday, 5 November 2009 14:31 (fourteen years ago) link

their singles are great garage rock

Pretty generic, though, right? Which Seger's early singles almost never were. (At least, that's the impression I've always had about them. In fact, I guess in my mind I've always thought of the Rationals as, say, Detroit's answer to the Rascals or something. Blue-eyed-soul rock. Which is fine, but not exactly indispensible since Detroit already had Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels. I could be way off, though.) (Also just looked it up and discovered that the Rationals, Rascals, and Ryder all recorded their debut singles in 1965 -- So it's likely more like they were on similar wavelengths than anybody mimicking anything else.)

Agree with Mark's point about Meijer as a union shop, btw; now wonder whether that was an impetus for Seger's decision (in which case, it's admittedly an very cool move), or mere coincidence. ("Thrifty Fakirs" also sounds familiar, deep in my Michigan-smartass subconscious.)

xhuxk, Thursday, 5 November 2009 14:42 (fourteen years ago) link

a cover of Tim Hardin's "If I Were a Carpenter"

"If I Were Near Carpenter and Ellsworth," more like.

Andy K, Thursday, 5 November 2009 15:26 (fourteen years ago) link


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