Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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nope, can't do it

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I've made up for the broken crossword app anyways

do not robin s. van persie if you hate me

Can someone tell me why the TV listings have gone?

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:D

Marrying oneself was a fucking Jam sketch fifteen years ago ofc

Do not RSVP if you hate marriage of me to myself

xword app is fixed as alba said (eff updating to iOS 8 tbh)

thank god a uk media organization is able to give all of this vital american cultural politics content to the world

Renée Zellweger's face is her brand – a new look will change her career beyond recognition
22 Oct 2014: Steve Rose:

Nothing's wrong with Renee Zellweger's face. There's something wrong with us
22 Oct 2014: Jennifer Gerson Uffalussy

Renée Zellweger's new look due to 'happy, healthy lifestyle', not surgery
22 Oct 2014: Xan Brooks

It's not unreasonable to ask where the real Renée Zellweger has gone
2 hours ago: Viv Groskop

loooool

I despair

all the Zellweger that's fit to print

Jessica Valenti

Taylor Swift in the Blank Space video is the woman we've been waiting for

Most overrated

Gravity

Sorry, that is just how I fell.

Series: Jess Zimmerman column

Is keeping up with what's viral stressing you out? It's not your fault

DennisMcScumbag commented on Julien Blanc barred from entering UK.
19 Nov 2014 8:48pm

I am sure he considered it.

And Julien Blanc was not racist or encouraging sexual assault.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/shortcuts/2014/nov/19/myleene-klass-ed-miliband-six-slapdowns

(and the author's part in the comments section seems a bit tragic, too)

http://www.theguardian.com/travel/2014/nov/21/night-blackpool-broadway-hotel-tripadvisor

No worries though, it was buried in a full page report on p5 of the main news section.

Does anyone else get strange things happening when they open the home page in Safari? The pictures are often under the wrong stories. It's great!

http://i.imgur.com/mHoT0NZ.jpg

he may be understood but at least he has one friend

i get the same thing, it's one of the few joys in looking at the news each morning

That's brilliant

further indignity heaped on poor old Gordon as well

So the NME did an uncharacteristically excellent feature on the UK DIY music scene a few weeks ago. Lots of great bands and promoters featured, individual locales got well observed and excellently researched coverage, a few of the bands covered have been going on for a decade or more with nary a mention in any nationwide press. It was a moment to savour for those of us who have any pride or involvement in UK DIY.

So it's good that The Guardian saw fit to do the same, you'd think? Well, it would've been, if they didn't just effectively reprint the same bands/venues/promoters/info/towns, without acknowledging or giving credit to the relevant journalists, in fact you'd think Gwilym Mumford had done all the work himself. Pretty fucking shoddy, Guardian. Why not give the (excellent) writers behind the piece some work, or at least some credit.

link?

n/m I found it

That's 13 years now the Guardian has been, if you will, 'worse than it used to be'.

It was still a pile of wank in the Manchester Guardian years, it is a faulty premise for a thread title.

Are you suggesting that a pile of wank is the worst the universe has to offer?

Was just reading a WW1 book and read how similarly appallingly full of shit/gung ho the MG was to the right wing press at the time. Albeit one written by a loathsome prick who writes for the Telegraph!

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this is one of the 12 most important stories apparently

the manchester guardian was more sceptical of the case for war than the conservative press press prior to and during the july crisis

The Manchester Guardian declared that Britain was in no danger of being dragged into the Austro-Serbian conflict by ‘treaties of alliance’ and famously announced that Manchester cared for Belgrade as little as Belgrade cared for Manchester.

then the war started

the observer of course supported the 2003 iraq war

I can't the find the offending quote from the Max Hastings book by the MG after a search, so I am probably talking shite!

"I write for the Guardian," said Sir Max Hastings in 2005, "because it is read by the new establishment"

I had a few WW1 books on the go simultaneously recently is my excuse!

no i am sure you're right about the liberal papers during the war, once it started there was a strong level of unanimity and the differences prior to it were erased but even some of the conservative papers were sceptical until the declaration of war

that quote from the excellent 'the sleepwalkers' by christopher clark

Enjoying the Guardian's Will And Kate coverage and how it's stretching journalists:

The evening crescendoed with the long-speculated meeting between Beyonce and Jay-Z and Kate and William midway through the third quarter.

xp (and a bit of topic) The Sleepwalkers is excellent, apart from the title, which seems inappropriate. IMO Clark shows that the protagonists did anything but sleepwalk into the conflict (though the fact that all the senior figures involved were apparently suffering from heart disease/strokes/epilepsy, insomniacs, workaholics, neurotics, alcoholics, or some combination of these wasn't a great help)

the title is perfectly appropriate and given his quotations from musil, schweig, roth etc is almost certainly an allusion to the novel by hermann broch

According to Broch, “sleepwalkers” refer to a gap between the death of an ethical system and the birth of another, as much as a somnambulist finds himself in a state between sleep and awake

this is attested to throughout the book, the transition from the bismarck archetype and the measured realpolitik of the 19th c with its delicate multipolar settlement towards a bloc identity that was more paranoid, brittle and reactive in which the incipient demise of the ottoman and then austrian empires a sort of fait accompli

*zweig*

interesting, thanks, I hadn't appreciated this

also he explains his choice of title in the very last sentence of the book - "...the protagonists of 1914 were sleepwalkers, watchful but unseeing, haunted by dreams, yet blind to the reality of the horror they were about to bring into the world.”

that's what sits less well with me, the idea the protagonists were "unseeing". I think a lot of accusations can be leveled at them, but that's not one of them. Anyway these are quibbles, it's a great book.

Alan R to step down as editor next year, after 20 years.

Eagerly anticipating the sacking of every frivolous lifestyle columnist and the Guardian's impending return to golden age ERM-era severity.