lol djp
― k3vin k., Friday, 3 October 2014 19:43 (nine years ago) link
I think the argument, "hey you have a healthy child, so no harm done" is pretty offensive tbh, but apparently that was the basis of a 2007 NY decision:
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2014/10/ohio_sperm_bank_black_donor_mix_up_can_a_white_mother_with_a_biracial_baby.html
(can't C&P for some reason but skip down to the Andrews v. Keltz mention)
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:04 (nine years ago) link
And that decision was actually a case of mixing up the husband and would-be biological dad's sperm with someone else's, which seems worse than this case.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:11 (nine years ago) link
I believe the two situations are exactly as bad
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:13 (nine years ago) link
something something lenny brisco says something about wrongful insemination
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:27 (nine years ago) link
I think it's safe to say that they're both bad and that people are entitled to their subjective reasons for wanting control over their own child-having decisions.
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:30 (nine years ago) link
and that suing for what is basically "damages" because of your child's race is scummy as fuck.
― EZ Snappin, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link
tbh I'm really reading up on sperm donation now
― ⌘-B (mh), Friday, 3 October 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link
*reads up furiously*
― Οὖτις, Friday, 3 October 2014 20:55 (nine years ago) link
lol shakey
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 3 October 2014 21:12 (nine years ago) link
― my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, October 3, 2014 4:04 PM (6 hours ago)
yeah this is kind of what i was thinking of. i'm not endorsing it but i am recognizing that what everyday people think of as a harm is not the same as what you can recover when you sue someone. i am not sure offensive is the word i would use though i do agree it's not good. these are just kind of weird questions one doesn't get to think about every day. fortunately?
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:28 (nine years ago) link
i would think that rape victims might find it offensive to compare to rape however
― flatizza (harbl), Saturday, 4 October 2014 03:30 (nine years ago) link
That might be true and if anyone who reads it is offended, I apologize. Rape and non-consensual impregnation are the most time-tested way of controlling women's fertility though. It's only modern medicine that creates the possibility of the second without the first.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:28 (nine years ago) link
I guess I liked to think there was a real Black dude from I dunno East Flatbush or something who was THAT into healthy eating as a from of subversive self-care.
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Monday, September 29, 2014 4:47 PM (5 days ago) Bookmark
http://www.amazon.com/The-Hood-Health-Handbook-Practical/dp/1935721321
― 龜, Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:45 (nine years ago) link
http://www.itvs.org/films/soul-food-junkies
― Orson Wellies (in orbit), Saturday, 4 October 2014 13:52 (nine years ago) link
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10155047_1600144650213238_3549923115314653361_n.jpg?oh=d01764fc1d29cc78915fbf594bd6723e&oe=54B67F2B&__gda__=1420702482_ecaadd5132623819ebe0fc232d9d9c47
― nickn, Monday, 6 October 2014 23:38 (nine years ago) link
phat le rappeur
― Οὖτις, Monday, 6 October 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
Willing to give it a pass as long as the kid doesn't put on blackface xp
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 00:11 (nine years ago) link
i haven't seen the movie napoleon dynamite since it was released in theaters 800 blog years ago but i just thought of it for some reason and remembered that there is a part when one of the characters dates a black woman with a "black"-sounding name and this is supposed to be inherently hilarious. not a question, really. that was racist. i feel horrified that when i first saw that movie as a high school freshman i liked it.
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 04:55 (nine years ago) link
borat came out around that time too i think. and team america: world police. were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 04:58 (nine years ago) link
i can assure you there was nothing hilarious about napoleon dynamite
― outback bumfuc (electricsound), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 05:07 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_th4LsV9kEboth xp and not xp
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 05:08 (nine years ago) link
were audiences and critics more tolerant of racial stereotypes in mainstream comedies ten years ago?
critics maybe
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 11:55 (nine years ago) link
My highschool classmates didn't care that much. I'm sure the kids there now read thinkpieces and are at least aware of terms like intersectionality if it isn't literally part of the curriculum. In my ed classes they are telling me to teach definitions of racism and sexism as interlocking sytems rather than discrete individual attitudes directly to high schoolers
― Treeship, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:10 (nine years ago) link
Treesh do you enjoy the comedy of Tom Green
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:17 (nine years ago) link
they made the fake fat belly painted onto the t-shirt white instead of black
that's a… sign of racial sensitivity i think??
― j., Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:19 (nine years ago) link
Probably more a reflection on their expected target demo
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 12:28 (nine years ago) link
otm
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:42 (nine years ago) link
Tom Green, that's a name that really takes me back
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 13:46 (nine years ago) link
can i have that hamburger necklace however
― jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:28 (nine years ago) link
hey, this is racist AND sexist:
http://flavorwire.com/480990/pete-pete-was-all-white-people-slimed-author-mathew-klickstein-on-why-ren-and-stimpy-was-better-than-clarissa-and-nickelodeons-diversity-problem
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:37 (nine years ago) link
re: borat, Napoleon Dynamite, Team America
All these films are horribly racist and I complained about them at the time here on ILX and people argued/disagreed w me about all of them
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:39 (nine years ago) link
Shakes did you ever change your mind abt ken jeong in the hangover
― 龜, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
a lot of classic "it's okay to make fun of [insert ethnicity]" excuses
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:40 (nine years ago) link
Thinking about it now, I guess so...? It's not quite Long Duck Dong level but it is a caricature. That movie in general has diminished in my eyes.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:41 (nine years ago) link
I originally bought into the idea that Borat was more about revealing the societal problem of racism or sexism in others through his character and therefore was a little profound in a way, though looking back those were just side effects of a movie was that quite clearly racist
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:42 (nine years ago) link
Borat is almost entirely about playing off of the racism in others, is the thing. Whether it works or not is up for debate but that's pretty clearly the intention.
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:44 (nine years ago) link
From DJP's link:
There are worlds where white guys get shit, too. I’m starting to do stand-up comedy now and it’s hard to go up there and talk about how hard it is to be a guy. People don’t wanna hear it! A girl can go up there and talk all she wants about how hard it is to be a girl, and she gets applauded. These are obviously some of my own personal views and aren’t as important, but I’m bringing up this stuff because it’s all very malleable, it’s very flexible.
Man, when are white men finally gonna get a fuckin' break?
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
Klickstein comes off like a turbo douche in that interview
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
imo the biggest crime of Borat is using Kazakhstan, an actual place, as a stand-in for the other because it was a convenient stand-in
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:47 (nine years ago) link
well I dunno if he could've booked all those interviews or appearances or w/e using some fake country so I guess he kinda had to
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:50 (nine years ago) link
Well, OTOH, a Kazakh director made an unofficial sequel to raise the country's image and the punchline to the movie was "Hey, these guys aren't even really Kazakh, they're Jews from Romania" so . . .
― bippity bup at the hotel california (Phil D.), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:51 (nine years ago) link
^^^
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:53 (nine years ago) link
If I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for exampleIf I were Indian or Jewish, for example
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
and it's not that there aren't rabid anti-semites in Kazakhstan - I'm sure there are - but caricaturing them that way, the entire character of Borat, is totally racist
xp
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:54 (nine years ago) link
he portrays their entire culture as backward, incestuous, nothing but poor dumb peasants etc.
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:55 (nine years ago) link
every generation gets the Yakov Smirnoff they deserve
― ⌘-B (mh), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:56 (nine years ago) link
I love how dude sets the stage by pretending that massive hit "Clarissa Explains It All" was only retroactively appreciated due to Melissa Joan Hart's star turn on "Sabrina, The Teenage Witch" and then jumps whole hog into "oh btw I'm a virulent racist too, let me show you all the ways I suck" with zero prompting
― 💪😈⚠️ (DJP), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link
Wow that Pete & Pete interview went downhill rather quickly.
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:58 (nine years ago) link
Blah blah blah pure, fervent nostalgia blah blah blah ren and stimpy melissa joan hart blah blah blah whitewashed suburbs blah blah blah SPEAKING OF WHICH….
― pplains, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 15:59 (nine years ago) link