2008 Primaries Thread

Morbs, the history of almost any country is a catalog of crimes, blunders, and general human style twatwafflery, interspersed by moments when people actually get something positive done, Lord knows how. I agree about the 40 years of lousy government, but one thing I can say to the right-wing jackasses is, "If you dare fucking question my patriotismm or my committment to this republican experiment in democracy, I won't wave some flag in your face, I will simply say that I voted in every single election since my majority for which I was eligible, even some where I wasn't even in country."

but... I love booze!

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Whereas I would say, "Fuck off, right-wing jackass."

Srsly, why waste energy proving yourself to a jackass?

If the system doesn't work, it should be destabilized. ...If the form of that destabilization is rioting and civil war, that's not so good but maybe necessary...?

Join me on the barricades, Danno!

twatwafflery

nice word!

yeah really impacted Dubya's "legitimacy" didn'it (see 90% approval rating post-9/11 etc)

Well, actually.. Kerry might've contested all the irregularities and shady stuff happening in Ohio 2004, that Bush won the popular vote was one factor that had an effect on not challenging all that and demanding recounts. (Other factors I don't know.. Kerry being Kerry..)

Join me on the barricades, Danno!

Yeah so not ready to go there yet (but I recognize that, as a line of rhetoric, your viewpoint deserves airing)

The Bill of Rights didn't apply to slaves, dude.

Awesome justification, helps the people that picked your cilantro sleep at night I'm sure.

Srsly, why waste energy proving yourself to a jackass?

Committment to democratic dialogue.

Sorry, I just don't see why not giving my vote to one of two presidential nominees, after having debated their respective demerits for years, means I'm not participating in this great engine of liberty, especially when I can't use a write-in option; besides, by voting in my local race I feel enfranchised.

gore wouldn't have won the popular vote, which was of no official importance but plenty of rhetorical/cultural importance

In what way? Democrats repeated it ad nauseam en route to losing across the board in 2002 and 2004. No one cared. It didn't sway anyone. Didn't weaken Bush or the Republicans in the least.

what's better – glowing with civic responsibility like the thousands of Cuban-born citizens in Miami-Dade County who call the talk radios and plead, "Please tell me who to vote for"?

Awesome justification, helps the people that picked your cilantro sleep at night I'm sure.

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The one thing that keeps me voting in presidential elections is the Supreme Court pick.

i'm not really interested in this 'argument', i'm gonna keep morphin shit for now

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barry mcclinton would like to show you his stimulus package

does anybody really think a system that arrives at Senator Travis Bickle and First Lady Wal-Mart is NOT broken?

Local voting is way more important and cost-effective (and still generally presents sucky choices in NYC).

America has principles?

Barry McClinton looks a little... gay.

Local voting is way more important and cost-effective

lol

Obama's latest endorsement.

Vote here! Only $5!

Post made pick purely for all-year MADRASSA headlines to come.

wow - looks like hillary's sit-down with the dirty digger didn't pay dividends after all

i'm sure her buddying with lindsey graham and trent lott will work out great, tho

voting is a about selecting the option which is most likely to give the result closest to your beliefs. how you do the "most likely" and "closest" math is up to you, but asking for one flick of the lever to give you the big rock candy mountain seems worse than stupid to me.

this isn't to preclude idealism, of any kind. i'm an idealist. however, asking for the entire political order to be based on a certain brand of idealism is...problematic, usually because you're just inviting a lot of disappointment on yourself when you inevitably don't get your wishes gratified. and also because people have tried to do it for real over the years and lots of people were killed.

"voting doesn't solve anything" may have a certain false ring of truth to it, but it only seems to resonate with people who think "voting should solve everything i care about right now."

sorry for the civics 101 but yeah i called morbs a nazi and then got godwin's invoked so i thought i'd explain myself.

ny post is being contrary, it would never endorse the same candidate as the NYT

possibly rupert imagines obama to be the more, uh, pliant candidate

either that or it just thinks he's gonna win - the post loves a winner

I have no basis for believing that choosing Rodham over McCain (or vice versa) will "give the result closest to my beliefs," especially after Bill turned out to be a worse president than Poppy Bush (something I never would've believed in '92, but I've grown).

well...that's politics! thanks for participating, citizen.

not often that you get to say "New York Post OTM"

i think we've shown voting ad not voting means different things to different people.

http://thepage.time.com/2008/01/30/clinton-serenaded-by-the-black-elvis-in-arkansas/

get it?

BLELVIS IS NOT FROM LITTLE ROCK
THE TRUE BLELVIS WALKS THESE DC STREETS

I love the fact that the debate tonight will be in Simi Valley. How appropriate.

DAMN TIME MAGAZINE ALWAYS GETTING EVERYTHING INCORRECT

given that ted kennedy, the nypost and pretty much the entire democratic establishment is endorsing obama i guess all you guys know who to blame if hillary wins the nomination

white people

LEWINSKY

also, FEMININE SOLIDARITY

twatwafflery

POLAND

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romney + obama + clinton + mccain

i'm done so i'll stop now

omigod now Obama can show his face in the Deep South!

the first truly multigendered candidate

voting is a about selecting the option which is most likely to give the result closest to your beliefs. how you do the "most likely" and "closest" math is up to you, but asking for one flick of the lever to give you the big rock candy mountain seems worse than stupid to me.

Bit of a strawman - I've never seen a soul who thought that voting should be a process whereby they got to vote for their Ideal Candidate.

Saying "all of these people are shit, I don't want to vote for any of them" is not the same as saying "I demand a candidate who matches me 100%."

and in this election, there won't even be a third-party candidate who isn't abhorrent (Cynthia McKinney, whichever asshole the LP throws out there)

I don't want to vote for Cynthia even as a meaningless protest vote!

wow that last one is amazing

one more, Elmo, throw some Huck in there for good measure

BLELVIS IS NOT FROM LITTLE ROCK
THE TRUE BLELVIS WALKS THESE DC STREETS

He's still around? Alive and well?