no way you just said iron flag better than W, and Pretty Toney better than Supreme?
yeah Pretty Toney is his peak imo, strong concept running through the whole thing and I like every track. Clientele is great but it drags towards the end. And nothing on the W is as good as Rules, with the possible exception of I Can't Go to Sleep. The inclusion of that shitty Snoop/ODB track mars the W and it mostly seems to retread a lot of old styles/ideas, whereas the pop sheen of Iron Flag still seems novel and entertaining (and also kind of unusual in the Wu discography).
I have to strongly disagree on Scarface too haha well I did end up voting for Scarface fwiw. I figure Outkast will get plenty of love.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 September 2014 19:53 (nine years ago) link
yeah Pretty Toney is his peak imo, strong concept running through the whole thing and I like every track. Clientele is great but it drags towards the end.
these two songs of unaccountable genius are at the end of SC
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbnIscU65gc(these lyrics)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaFNlyP3Kok
And nothing on the W is as good as Rules
on the contrary everything on The W is better than Rules. Ghostface verses and tears alone. The production is ahhhh
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:37 (nine years ago) link
yeah Pretty Toney is his peak imo, strong concept running through the whole thing and I like every track
feeling this
― Starland Vocal Gland (sic), Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:38 (nine years ago) link
What I liked a lot about 2000 hip hop is the renaissance of rugged/street production into higher fidelity and production values while being close enough to the ruggedness of the 90s to transfer that street and sample based sound into even more booming sonic. You hear this on Rawkus records like Mos Defs debut and the birth of guys like Just Blaze and especially here this modern mixed with old production values on Digga's Dirty Harriet, those beats were fucking turnt up but sample based and rugged but just a whole lot fuller, base heavy. same with Jay's Blueprint next year. We were still on the drum machine, Swizz synths hadn't taken over yet. Timbaland was bubbling under. But you still had Missy and Pharell pushing the move away from sampling. There was also some serious moves by the South into positioning itself to dominance over NY, this was NY's indian summer, almost. Roc A Fella were white hot but Outkast and Ludacris and stuff like Nelly had just cemented the airwaves for the first time NY had to pay attention to South and others.
Haven't even mentioned the presence of Em. When you look at it, 2000 was the end of the era of true geographical and style diversity in Hip Hop. There was room and money for success in your lane, whether it was Rawkus, Eminem, Dirty South, underground, Shiny Suits, Housten, Mid west was still alive
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
iron flag & the w are pretty comparable i can see arguments for either
SC def better than pretty toney to me, but pretty toney is his last great record IMHO, esp if you group it w/ the hidden darts stuff
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link
that rah digga record is dope btw, i think that was a plum drank fav iirc
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 25 September 2014 20:59 (nine years ago) link
i dunno about swizz's synths not taking over though, we were 2 years deep into that by that point. "money cash hoes" was '98
Pretty Toney was dope, esp Holla, but it was toned down Ghost..
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:06 (nine years ago) link
right the shiny suit era too but it absolutely hadn't taken over yet and in fact was on a back seat to sampling as noted by Jay going with Blaze and Kanye around this time, sampling was in a mini renaissance, Swizz was very much in his own lane at ruff ryders, it was a huge lane though, DMX was so huge, like I said there was so much room for variety back then.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
re: SC you get past Mighty Healthy and there's all these skits - Woodrow the Basehead, Clyde Smith, Who Would You Fuck, Iron's Theme - plus stuff like Stroke of Death and We Made It and Cherchez La Ghost that I just don'g gaf about, classic CD-era bloat stuff. I do like Wu Banga and Child's Play and Malcolm.
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:13 (nine years ago) link
head nodder of the year
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLlIbRKY9qY(that tampon line...)
This LP also notable for having both Pete Rock and Premier producing but neither having the best beats on the album
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:24 (nine years ago) link
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, September 25, 2014 4:10 PM (20 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
i know it was an era w/ a lot of variety, i think you're just messing up the timeline. the reason kanye & just blaze sounded so refreshing when it really started to pick up steam w/ the blueprint in '01 (yes i know it was in album cuts on dynasty in '00 but it wasn't the singles, and prior to that kanye was a hitmen acolyte) was because the dominant sound was synthesizers ... it was all mannie fresh and swizz keyboards, trackmaster ish, if people used samples it was in a "pop" way a la puffy, not in a hip-hop method....kanye brought "soul" back to the music at a time when this sorta old school soul sound was mostly absent
― deej loaf (D-40), Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link
it was all mannie fresh and swizz keyboards, trackmaster ish
so much to answer for
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 25 September 2014 21:42 (nine years ago) link
NB all that stuff is great
― deej loaf (D-40), Friday, 26 September 2014 00:17 (nine years ago) link
Stankonia's probably my favorite, but I voted for Em just because of how thoroughly MMLP dominated the minds of ten year olds (like me) that year.
― voodoo chili, Friday, 26 September 2014 12:48 (nine years ago) link
between Quik, three 6, outkast & the dinasty for me.
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:42 (nine years ago) link
& i'm with pretty toney vs SC.
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:43 (nine years ago) link
also add lil wayne's light out to my fav's
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:44 (nine years ago) link
the lox - we are the streets
― ANU (sisilafami), Friday, 26 September 2014 23:46 (nine years ago) link
Voted for Warriorz, that combination of aggro raps + heavy boom bap beats is timeless. Stankonia and 3030 are okay, but both are marred by too many pointless skits and interludes. Supreme Clientele is overrated, a lot of the beats on that album sound weak, and Ghostface's pauseless stream-of-consciousness flow just gets grating. The W has some of the best single Wu tracks of all time (especially "Careful (Click Click)" and "I Can't Go to Sleep"), but some meh autopilot stuff too, and fuck Junior Reid. Let's Get Free was my favourite rap album back then, but it sounds a bit dated and corny now. Dirty Harriet has some awesome tunes (particularly "Lesson of the Day"), but ultimately Rah Digga isn't versatile enough to carry a full solo album.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 September 2014 13:11 (nine years ago) link
The others, I either don't care about (Eminem, Madlib, Talib, Dilated Peoples, Common, Scarface, Nelly, Luda) or haven't heard (the rest).
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 September 2014 13:15 (nine years ago) link
Oh yeah, the Bone-Thugs-n-Harmony album is decent too, but it's pretty much exactly what you'd expect from a BTNH record, nothing new or surprising.
― Tuomas, Monday, 29 September 2014 13:18 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZ3p3uaqzco
correcting the fact this song wasn't mentioned yet
― Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 30 September 2014 18:59 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll is closing tomorrow.
― System, Thursday, 30 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
MOP!!!!
― the late great, Thursday, 30 October 2014 06:00 (nine years ago) link
nothin from nothin leaves nothinthat's why im thuggin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98yEaWPjt7M
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:36 (nine years ago) link
Niggas elope wit ski slopes and fall like avalanchesTootin like it's cool bein a fool, and I can't justSit around and watch those nose membranes flameMy ends is loose and you can't stop that rainWhen it starts to fall
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpEMOa-DiuQ
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
loved this single, album was disappointing when it dropped two(?) years later
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA22kaNzbGk
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:43 (nine years ago) link
The Platform sounds better now than it did at the time. Alc beats all good. DJ Babu should've produced a few more.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
Wasn't my thing at the time but going back to it this album has to go down as a genre classic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9Y-CSQor5s
― Raccoon Tanuki, Thursday, 30 October 2014 17:14 (nine years ago) link
i voted for country grammar simply because it meant the most to me at the time
i also think it's a very underrated rap record in general
― J0rdan S., Thursday, 30 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
Automatic thread bump. This poll's results are now in.
― System, Friday, 31 October 2014 00:01 (nine years ago) link
Ha ha zero votes for Deltron
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:25 (nine years ago) link
lolcats no votes for any backpacker and/or "conscious" shit w/ exception of train of thought (that album is too good to be dismissed with the pejoratives I just mentioned)
― and also pointsman, octopi don't bark (slothroprhymes), Friday, 31 October 2014 01:31 (nine years ago) link
I know this board is more about mainstream, but Country Grammar came 3rd. Huh. 1 vote for Like Water for Chocolate? Hm. Luda album getting more than Scarface, Zro, Mystikal, Big Moe, C Murder, Boosie albums.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:04 (nine years ago) link
lol Supreme Clientele is mainstream now
― Οὖτις, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
I would have voted for any of those top 3 or Deltron if I knew he would have 0 votes.
― Moka, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:34 (nine years ago) link
I missed this poll but I would've voted for Quality Control, because if I'm being honest that was the CD I listened to the most at the time. Deltron was a close second; Like Water For Chocolate was a close third, but God that album was like homework and in hindsight I realize that I hated that I bought it and had to listen to it. 20 minutes of good music on an 80 minute CD.
― Evan R, Friday, 31 October 2014 18:47 (nine years ago) link
Poll results also suggest not many here were actually listening to hip hop in 2000, idk.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 1 November 2014 16:04 (nine years ago) link
stuff I listened to a lot in 2000:
Beanie Sigel- The TruthDITCSupereme ClienteleThe PlatformStankoniaAOI: Mosaic ThumpLike Water for ChocolateQuestion in the Form of an AnswerXzibit- Restless
― you walk on the street, grab the rock (President Keyes), Saturday, 1 November 2014 16:29 (nine years ago) link
Land of Oooh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avIqTrX2eac
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:10 (nine years ago) link
Appearance from Dave Chappelle scene with Rah Digga at start there too
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:18 (nine years ago) link
Mosaic thump def my favorite thing not captured in this poll
― no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:22 (nine years ago) link
It's De La's worst album but I probably listened to it a couple hundred times anyway
― Evan R, Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:28 (nine years ago) link
Whoa worst? The other aoi album isn't nearly as good.
― no but seriously im not a dick like that (Spottie), Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:32 (nine years ago) link
Hard to get everything in as there was so many good albums in one year always going to miss some. Didn't actually forget AOI just remembered it was being underwhlming at the time but I haven't listened to it in probably 14 years so may hold up well today. That single was always brilliant.
The W was my most listened to in the actual year. Older sibling was listening a lot to Like Water for Chocolate and Train of THought and by Osmosis so was I but maybe didn't appreciate LWFC until later.
Got bought Black On Both Sides for Christmas 99 and that blew my mind during most of 2000.
― Raccoon Tanuki, Saturday, 1 November 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link
Bionix was great! I mean, it was a mess like the first AOI, but it's got some killer tracks and a few beautiful moments
― Evan R, Saturday, 1 November 2014 19:03 (nine years ago) link