Can't even listen on my phone w/ cell data.
― Dear Catastrophe Theory Waitress (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 19:46 (nine years ago) link
Finally got the stream going, Marion Brown just finished his solo on "Ascension."
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Tuesday, 23 September 2014 22:53 (nine years ago) link
How much of the final Quintet is there recorded and released?Looking forward to getting my hands on this Offering set but wondering what else is out there both studio and live. Cos I get the feeling they're greatly under-represented and I'm not sure if it's me or what is available by them.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:08 (nine years ago) link
Studio, there isn't much...in fact, strictly speaking, that quintet only made one studio record (Expression). Stellar Regions is also studio, but it's a quartet (no Pharoah).
There's a few live things, though: Live at the Village Vanguard Again!, Live In Japan, and The Olatuniji Concert.
I've only heard the boot of Offering, but it's tremendous, easily on par with Live In Japan, which itself has always been a high-water mark of this music for me.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 September 2014 00:26 (nine years ago) link
I thought there was more, or is that just officially released. looks like I've had all of it but the Olatunji concert though I need to get new copies of a couple of things. Hadn't realised there was no Pharoah on Stellar Regions & I did think there were more studio recordings which had been put out at least posthumously though i didn't know titles. Was that all Quartet stuff? & Alice reworked some material prior to posthumous release by editing/overdubbing from what I've heard.
― Stevolende, Thursday, 25 September 2014 08:27 (nine years ago) link
Live in Japan is the one Coltrane rec I'd return to.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 25 September 2014 10:36 (nine years ago) link
I did think there were more studio recordings which had been put out at least posthumously though i didn't know titles. Was that all Quartet stuff?
Yeah, most of the posthumous stuff was the Quartet (Sun Ship, Transition, Living Space, First Meditations, others), or some coagulation of the Quartet + others (Live In Seattle, Om).
& Alice reworked some material prior to posthumous release by editing/overdubbing from what I've heard.
I think that's mostly on Cosmic Music, but I've never heard it.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 25 September 2014 13:26 (nine years ago) link
forgot about transition, that's a great fucking record
― marcos, Thursday, 25 September 2014 13:33 (nine years ago) link
Infinity is the reworked one (and it's fucking glorious; I wrote about these albums almost exactly a year ago), Cosmic Music is two tracks by John Coltrane's group and two tracks by Alice's.
― Humorist (horse) (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 25 September 2014 14:19 (nine years ago) link
Infinity is amazing, agreed, I also liked those two tracks on Cosmic Music OK, but I sold it years ago so I must not have *really* liked them
― sleeve, Thursday, 25 September 2014 14:30 (nine years ago) link
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/gallery/2014/oct/04/catastrophic-coltrane/
^ horror show of a review.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 October 2014 13:47 (nine years ago) link
You can like or dislike Coltrane's work in this period (defining what it was to be 'in transition' a lot of the time) but its his "confession" around his oh so clever use of the word "catastrophe" that comes off so...ineffectual and weedy. Just leave it there man.
― xyzzzz__, Friday, 10 October 2014 14:00 (nine years ago) link
Having skimmed through this thread I guess I am going to have to give Meditations another go!
Anyway, for what its worth, Coltranology Vol 2 is my pick.
https://devonrecordclub.wordpress.com/wp-admin/post.php?post=3293&action=edit&postpost=v2
― yugi ex, Tuesday, 19 May 2015 20:22 (eight years ago) link
is it me or does Coltrane *almost* break into "Happy Birthday" on "Welcome" (from Kulu Se Mama)?
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 3 December 2015 22:26 (eight years ago) link
Birthday celebration on back-to-streaming, now-with-playlists WKCR!
― Autotune the Sky (James Redd and the Blecchs), Friday, 23 September 2016 14:32 (seven years ago) link
Found out last year that my Dad had the same birthday as Coltrane though I think he was at least 12 years younger. Then missed any comment about JC's Birthday this year so missed it.
Rarely see my dad and grew up without him so don't know if i ever knew his birthday
― Stevolende, Sunday, 25 September 2016 21:17 (seven years ago) link
Your dad isn't ilxor... oh never mind.
― Autotune the Sky (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 25 September 2016 21:34 (seven years ago) link
Didn't know this was on its way--opens in a couple of weeks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMFNuDJmc1Q
― clemenza, Tuesday, 21 March 2017 01:06 (seven years ago) link
http://www.openculture.com/2017/04/the-tone-circle-john-coltrane-drew-to-illustrate-the-theory-behind-his-most-famous-compositions-1967.html
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:09 (six years ago) link
http://cdn8.openculture.com/2017/04/11003129/coltrane-circle-new.jpg
rad
― marcos, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:22 (six years ago) link
yeah that is wild! hadn't seen it before.
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
So cool.
I'm curious about the doc becuz of home movies of Trane in a bathrobe, slippers, and pipe playing with his dog, less interested cuz Carlos Santana.
And something I've been wondering lately...are there more tapes of the Live at the Village Vanguard...Again! date? That record can't be everything they played that night is it?
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:31 (six years ago) link
lol santana yeah ... hopefully he's a small part of that doc. still, this shreds:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DDwvSTrpj0
don't know about more Again! tapes --seems like they'd've made their way out to the world by now in some form?
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:36 (six years ago) link
Yeah that's what I would have figured...but it isn't exactly a widely loved/known (outside of heads I mean) lp so maybe it's been overlooked? Just that line-up only playing a 40 minute set (with a long bass solo) seems unlikely
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:51 (six years ago) link
I was about to post that santana / mclaughlin track ... imo the best "love supreme" version ever
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:52 (six years ago) link
Best "Love Supreme" cover is Alice's from World Galaxy
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 20:59 (six years ago) link
i'm sure more was taped — but they've put out lower-fi "previously unheard" Coltrane recordings (like that Olatunji Concert or the One Up One Down CD or the Temple University set). would love a big box set of the 66 vanguard recordings though, mannnnn. i also always wonder how embarrassed everyone else in the band was to be photographed with jimmy garrison on the day the cover photo was taken. http://cps-static.rovicorp.com/3/JPG_500/MI0003/226/MI0003226957.jpg?partner=allrovi.com
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:00 (six years ago) link
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/f8/04/d4/f804d4d95e23925fda5a3cd855c8c0ae.jpg"jimmy we told you we were taking the photo today! this is what you chose to wear?!"
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:03 (six years ago) link
xpost - disagree!
― the late great, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:08 (six years ago) link
he looks like some kid they just picked up from summer camp
― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:10 (six years ago) link
everyone else looking cool as hell!
― tylerw, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:14 (six years ago) link
i like the archimedes badkar version of "love supreme" from their first album
― increasingly bonkers (rushomancy), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:26 (six years ago) link
read carlos santana as carlos castañeda and wigged out a little momentarily
― mark s, Wednesday, 12 April 2017 21:55 (six years ago) link
"jimmy we told you we were taking the photo today! this is what you chose to wear?!"
"You guys told me we were going to the beach!"
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 12 April 2017 22:52 (six years ago) link
i'm sure more was taped — but they've put out lower-fi "previously unheard" Coltrane recordings― tylerw, Wednesday, April 12, 2017 4:00 PM (yesterday) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
I pulled out the cd reissue last night and per a very small note from Michael Cuscuna "doubtless more music was played this night but no tapes or paperwork exist" :(
I love Jimmy Garrison's knobby knees! There's a photo from I think the Olatunji concert Garrison's got the same outfit on.
Love that album cover, love that they certainly don't look like they're a face-melting free jazz group
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 13 April 2017 18:40 (six years ago) link
oof if cuscuna couldn't track anything down, it's probably lost forever. garrison was capable of looking totally cool, of course ...https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/fe/da/bc/fedabc85e7af8eb5fa55fd7c8ec0f7dc.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:26 (six years ago) link
this is also goodhttps://a1-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/49cc16737bb91ad7d90572f9a7839d68/full.jpg
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:27 (six years ago) link
Such great bass player, those long solos from the 65-66 era...unreal
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:36 (six years ago) link
Yeah, honestly, his two ~15-minute bass solos were my favorite parts of the 4CD Live in Japan box set.
― Malcolm X, Martin Luther King, Jr, and Violent J (誤訳侮辱), Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:37 (six years ago) link
Commencement speakers at Bennington College in the early 1970s:
1970 Kurt Vonnegut 1971 Anais Nin 1972 Jimmy Garrison
(I'm told he played a solo rather than give a speech.)
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:38 (six years ago) link
whoa
― tylerw, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:40 (six years ago) link
Every year an upgrade! Tho seriously, whoa
― chr1sb3singer, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
wow
― sleeve, Thursday, 13 April 2017 19:41 (six years ago) link
Is the percentage of Coltrane lps that have his image on the front cover normal? Had just been thinking that pretty much all of the ones that were released during his lifetime have him as the cover image. Think there's only 4 or 5 that don't.
Did wonder if there was any reason for that.
Thought a lot of lps from the time had either abstract art or a female model or something.
― Stevolende, Saturday, 15 July 2017 20:50 (six years ago) link
Live at the Village Vanguard Again might be my favorite album cover ever!
― Mr. Snrub, Monday, 17 July 2017 00:47 (six years ago) link
idk, it doesn't feel abnormal to me, but i'm not expert in it! but if you look at like, the discogs pages for coltrane's contemporaries (miles, monk, mingus, ornette, etc.), their late 50s-mid 60s discography is mostly them on the cover.
― intheblanks, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:05 (six years ago) link
yeah coltrane started putting out records right when the abstract covers stopped being the norm.
― new noise, Monday, 17 July 2017 01:15 (six years ago) link
I had just noticed that Interstellar Space which doesn't have him on the cover was several years posthumous when I asked that. But had wondered before.
― Stevolende, Monday, 17 July 2017 07:32 (six years ago) link
Should I bother with Chasing Trane? It's playing in a couple weeks, but I'm afraid it's just going to be one of those standard issue talking head "He was a genius. He changed music" type docs.
― the last famous person you were surprised to discover was actually (man alive), Saturday, 23 September 2017 15:51 (six years ago) link