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did we discuss this?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/23/us/rabbis-find-talk-of-israel-and-gaza-a-sure-way-to-draw-congregants-wrath.html

they kind of bury the lede... the article tries to be even-handed, discussing how rabbis are worried of both criticizing and defending israel in fear of alienating parts of their congregations. but then 3/4 into the article they say that a study showed that rabbis are much more fearful of criticizing israel than defending it. honestly this is one of the major reasons i'm pretty alienated from organized judaism. although my old congregation is mentioned at the end, as the one whose soon-to-step-down rabbi is actually a supporter of BDS (!).

btw the article suggests that the (modern?) orthodox account for about 10% of american jewry. i wonder what % are haredi/ultrareligious. i imagine it's a growing number.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link

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i like that quote about yiddish

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link

not to mention ongoing interest in preservation of the cultural work and ephemera that the Yiddish heyday in the US and in Europe produced, the importance to secular scholarship of studying literature in the original rather than in translation, translation projects, etc. Might as well lament the decline in Aramaic speakers in the Jewish community.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:41 (nine years ago) link

kol nidre is happening the same day as my birthday this year.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link

not to mention ongoing interest in preservation of the cultural work and ephemera that the Yiddish heyday in the US and in Europe produced, the importance to secular scholarship of studying literature in the original rather than in translation, translation projects, etc. Might as well lament the decline in Aramaic speakers in the Jewish community.

― Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, September 22, 2014 3:41 PM (31 seconds ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

there's a brand-new archive of yiddish music and culture at the university where i study. it's pretty neat; they sponsor a klez-camp every summer. i haven't yet made an appointment to go listen to some of their 78s.

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:43 (nine years ago) link

re: Israel, let's be real, the most liberal of Reconstructionist shuls, whose rabbis happily conduct gay interfaith marriages, are still gonna have congregants divided on Israel right now. That a pro-Israel stance among Jews is seen as "right wing" by leftist commentators is sort of garbage.

re: Yiddish, the National Yiddish Book Center was on my college campus! It was really cool, and you can buy any of the books they have out and take them home with you. It was an incredible project. Much nicer building than any of the actual school buildings too, what with that Jewish philanthropy strike force.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:45 (nine years ago) link

honestly this is one of the major reasons i'm pretty alienated from organized judaism. although my old congregation is mentioned at the end, as the one whose soon-to-step-down rabbi is actually a supporter of BDS (!).

i kinda wonder if this dynamic is the issue though? are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place? tho judaism as a theology+philosophy has a lot of space for outsiders to the community (both culturally - spinoza types - and even within the religion there are traditions of hermits and theological anarchists like the kotzker rav), the jewish community isn't separable from tribalism really.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:46 (nine years ago) link

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place?

I don't think this is so.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:47 (nine years ago) link

well, maybe more likely, but I think you'll find tribally-engaged Jews floating around campus BDS groups as often as not.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

ok, maybe not. that's just my impression reading jews who are active in BDS. i guess jewish voices for peace would be an exception - as a jewish community organization forming exclusively around the issue.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:48 (nine years ago) link

i think it's always going to be controversial suggesting boycotting coreligionists for political (as opposed to theological) rifts. that'll never be mainstream jewish community.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link

are ppl who are more likely to resonate w/ issues like BDS also ppl who feel alienated from the jewish community in the first place

I would say yes probably to some limited extent

tho judaism as a theology+philosophy has a lot of space for outsiders to the community (both culturally - spinoza types - and even within the religion there are traditions of hermits and theological anarchists like the kotzker rav)

this is one of the best things about the tribe imo

Οὖτις, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:50 (nine years ago) link

yes for sure, and i've benefited tremendously from it. i think there's actually been a breakthrough in a some traditional jewish communities around recognizing this. i think it's why i can participate in an orthodox community without fully committing to a 100% orthodox lifestyle, and i'm accepted in the community and invited for meals and my kids go to the school, etc. i see this in chabad and in modern/open orthodoxy and in traditional/conservative too. actually the conservative synagogue near my house is the supplier for free-range kosher chicken, as well as hosting the hazon sustainable food convention this year, which is being orthodox catered. there's a lot of commingling among millennial jews i find in this community from a kinda broad spectrum of practices.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:52 (nine years ago) link

like for sure the historically traditional model of halachic performance was that everyone lived in the same community and you did what you did and some ppl were probably very stringent and some ppl weren't -- i think the worldwide jewish community kinda lose the thread on this post-WW2 (maybe for good reasons) but it seems to be making a comeback.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 20:54 (nine years ago) link

That a pro-Israel stance among Jews is seen as "right wing" by leftist commentators is sort of garbage.

i have a hard time parsing this comment. surely many of those jews who are critical of israel's recent attacks in gaza and their policy of expanding settlements are very pro-israel in a more meaningful, existential sense?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 20:58 (nine years ago) link

Well, yes.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link

so what is your point?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link

and which part of the article are you referencing?

I dunno. (amateurist), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:00 (nine years ago) link

I'm not sure what I was reacting to with my comment, just built up ambiguous anguish.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 22 September 2014 21:01 (nine years ago) link

This is one of those extra-long Yom Kippur+shabbat years, huh.

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

I mean the service is extra long. I assume the year is the usual number of days, although iirc that kinda varies with the Hebrew calendar?

mom tossed in kimchee (quincie), Monday, 22 September 2014 22:05 (nine years ago) link

it's a 3-day yom tov aka two day yom tov + shabbos for the third day.

Mordy, Monday, 22 September 2014 22:20 (nine years ago) link

so many lolz
http://www.shabbosapp.com

Mordy, Monday, 29 September 2014 20:36 (nine years ago) link

Seattle's Reconstructionist chavurah doesn't ticket their HHD services so I might actually go to Kol Nidre on Friday.

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Monday, 29 September 2014 21:30 (nine years ago) link

http://finkorswim.com/2014/10/01/the-shabbos-app-yes-it-is-real/ < this is crazy and worth reading. if any of the language or references in it are confusing ask me but it's, imo, a game changer (probably over time tho - but ppl in my frum world on fb are already asking how long it'll be before mainstream orthodox opinion is that electricity is okay on shabbat).

Mordy, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 20:49 (nine years ago) link

Many know about the psak of the Chazon Ish who prohibited electricity based on the melacha (Biblically forbidden creative activity) of boneh (building) because activating an electric device involves completing a circuit which is a form of building. Many people also know that this is not considered an accurate description of electricity or boneh by Rabbi Shlomo Zalman Auerbach.

hard for me to take this stuff seriously/worry about it for precisely these kinds of reasons

altho yeah that app is nuts for seeming to be expressly designed to violate shomer shabbos

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:08 (nine years ago) link

I did lol at this tho:

When I asked the Shabbos App developer what Shabbat would look like if everyone would be using their smartphones, his answer reflected this sensibility. He said “Shabbat will look the way Hashem wants it to look!”

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 1 October 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link

Interesting post and interesting site thx. I really need to hit you up more for jewish reading recs.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:47 (nine years ago) link

Xp to mordy sorry

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:49 (nine years ago) link

I think there's quite a lot in orthodox practice that revolves around the tension btw the spirit and the letter of law and what constitutes breaking vs navigating it. I find a lot of it silly roost times but I'm also fascinated by what motivates people to live that life, especially intelligent people who I doubt fear a literal angry God punishing them for disobedience.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Thursday, 2 October 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link

fwiw, I attended my first Yom Kippur service in years through an unaffiliated org that provides free services, and I even fasted (all the way until 4:30pm at which point we were at PS1 and my wife insisted on M.Wells Dinette -- could not pass up, sorry G_d).

The night before, although I did not attend a service, I did read through some of a rabbinical assembly mahzor and listen to the Richard Tucker recording of Kol Nidrei. I think it's probably my favorite piece of Jewish music, and although I feel weird listening to it outside its purpose, it is available on Spotify.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 01:36 (nine years ago) link

We went to the family yom kippur service on friday. It was nice, lots of singing.

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:27 (nine years ago) link

I decided I mostly like Yom Kippur and I'm just going to shrug at the parts I don't like (the "who by fire" stuff etc.)

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:32 (nine years ago) link

Yeah it was a relief that they go pretty light on the guilt stuff for the kids

Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 October 2014 02:49 (nine years ago) link

Shlomo Sand doesn't want to be a jew anymore: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/oct/10/shlomo-sand-i-wish-to-cease-considering-myself-a-jew

thoughts?

Van Horn Street, Friday, 10 October 2014 16:58 (nine years ago) link

why doesn't he just stop being an Israeli

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 October 2014 17:04 (nine years ago) link

considering his vile slandering of Jewish ppl I doubt he will be missed

Mordy, Friday, 10 October 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link

generally confused by the piece myself

Οὖτις, Friday, 10 October 2014 19:14 (nine years ago) link

http://ww4.hdnux.com/photos/32/64/27/7030263/5/920x680.jpg

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:32 (nine years ago) link

Let's not forget Christian zionism was just as committed as Jewish. Isreal is the last stand and forefront of European colonialism.

Raccoon Tanuki, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:34 (nine years ago) link

totally, well said

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link

are you jewish RT?

the final twilight of all evaluative standpoints (nakhchivan), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:36 (nine years ago) link

Lots of Jews have "assimilated" over the centuries and given up identification with Jewish culture and religion, so that in itself is not particularly interesting. Sand seems like he's just crying out that reality is too much pain for him, and while I can sometimes relate to the sentiment I don't think his essay is very coherent.

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:44 (nine years ago) link

ok but guys the photo

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:51 (nine years ago) link

related: http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.621899

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:52 (nine years ago) link

if it isn't clear what's going on, that's one of the Women of the Wall trying to hug an ultra-orthodox protestor

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 21 October 2014 21:53 (nine years ago) link

women of the wall ftw

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Tuesday, 21 October 2014 22:47 (nine years ago) link

I've been wanting to read something about capes comics and crypto-Judaism, anyone know an academic/crossover book about this or should I just get around to reading Kavalier and Clay?

Spirit of Match Game '76 (silby), Tuesday, 4 November 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link


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