Feminist Theory & "Women's Issues" Discussion Thread: All Gender Identities Are Encouraged To Participate

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Yes, that Freethought article is a good takedown

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 September 2014 22:57 (nine years ago) link

https://zapp.trakt.us/images/episodes/957-3-2.jpg

Daphnis Celesta, Monday, 15 September 2014 22:58 (nine years ago) link

I know.

The first article was interesting to me mainly because of the various controversies referenced that I was previously unaware of. I realised just as I posted that what I had written sounded like an endorsement of those views and I knew I'd probably regret it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Monday, 15 September 2014 23:06 (nine years ago) link

And also knew that my response to the second article would make me look an embarrasing clown, no way of avoiding it.

Robert Adam Gilmour, Tuesday, 16 September 2014 00:06 (nine years ago) link

lol demos still exists

intelligent, expressive males within the greater metropolitan (Bananaman Begins), Tuesday, 16 September 2014 15:18 (nine years ago) link

i think i finally 'get' shanley on twitter. she's basically a feminist ethan with more work ethic. really starting to enjoy some of her protracted 'performance' tweetstorms.

everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Monday, 22 September 2014 03:42 (nine years ago) link

hahahahahahhahahahahahaha

max, Monday, 22 September 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link

well put

max, Monday, 22 September 2014 14:34 (nine years ago) link

it's cool, they're armed

the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:16 (nine years ago) link

CARCERAL LIBERALISM

goole, Wednesday, 24 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link

Can someone tell me what was the thread where we were discussing rape culture and whether it was disproportionately associated with frats or not?

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 September 2014 16:10 (nine years ago) link

Men's Rights thread.

thread for contemplating the serious issues raised by the Men's Rights movement

Wristy Hurlington (ShariVari), Friday, 26 September 2014 16:14 (nine years ago) link

ah right, thx

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Friday, 26 September 2014 16:21 (nine years ago) link

http://espnfivethirtyeight.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/chalabi-datalab-flightattendants-2.png

I thought this was an interesting chart - breakdown of gender proportions in various professions, ordered

(Can't seem to find the originating 538 post)

, Saturday, 4 October 2014 15:23 (nine years ago) link

^shocked to see that "mathematicians and mathematical scientists" are split 51% men, 49% women. this is wholly contrary to the stereotype.

Aimless, Saturday, 4 October 2014 17:09 (nine years ago) link

the fields i work in are the most male-dominated on the chart: boilermakers (99.8%), concrete and cement workers (99.3%), heating, air conditioning and refrigeration mechanics (98.9%), heavy equipment and farm equipment mechanics (98.8%), operating engineers of construction equipment (98.4%), excavating and loading machine operators (98.2%), electric power installers and repairers (98.2%), electricians (98.2%), repairers of industrial electrical equipment (97.1%), etc.

ime a lot of the support staff for companies in those industries are women - but yeah, i don't think i've ever seen a woman rig out a piece of heavy equipment before

Mordy, Saturday, 4 October 2014 18:29 (nine years ago) link

i really like the term "drillers of earth"

jello my future biafriend (roxymuzak), Monday, 6 October 2014 19:50 (nine years ago) link

http://reason.com/archives/2014/10/07/ruining-sex-in-california

editorial creepy AF

deej loaf (D-40), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:23 (nine years ago) link

very smart take on affirmative consent law imo:
http://dsadevil.blogspot.com/2014/10/necrophiliacs-anonymous.html

Mordy, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:24 (nine years ago) link

I lol'd:

http://thewomansplainer.com/

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 22:46 (nine years ago) link

i caught about 10 min of the dr phil show yesterday and steve harvey was on explaining to women what they were doing wrong (it looked like the whole show was about women and what they're doing wrong) and why they were still single. this one woman said that she thinks (and has been told) that men are intimidated by her success, and steve harvey responded in such a way that i honestly couldn't believe what i was hearing.

he said the following, not in exact words but not far off:
* NOTHING you could possibly do would be intimidating to a real man
* without us, you can't make babies
* without us, you can't have families
* without us, you can't move a refrigerator

wtf

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:03 (nine years ago) link

oh he also said "and if you can move a refrigerator by yourself, you're going to have a REAL hard time finding a man"
what a cretin

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:05 (nine years ago) link

phew i have never wished for a man for any of those purposes

flatizza (harbl), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:09 (nine years ago) link

hey you know how this man moves a refrigerator

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link

he pays someone else to do it

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:10 (nine years ago) link

xp neither have i! that aside, it made me angry and curious about what other total horseshit people say on daytime tv. what a cesspool!

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:14 (nine years ago) link

damn if i could only find a girl could move her own fridge

zero content albums (darraghmac), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:17 (nine years ago) link

i expect the woman to move all the refrigerators on a first date

outback bumfuc (electricsound), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:17 (nine years ago) link

I have never moved, nor had the need to move, a refrigerator

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link

I mean seriously terrible example, that's like one thing you virtually never move. You get it delivered, that's it til the day it dies! Most places you move into already have one! You are in television guy, think of a better example!

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:21 (nine years ago) link

He's crazy, I move the fridge every time I sweep the floor. They SCOOTCH, you know. No one is picking them up with one hand like a super hero--not even MEN.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:22 (nine years ago) link

he is disgusting
no families without men? tell that to bazumpteen thousand single moms, asshole. he sucks.

cross over the mushroom circle (La Lechera), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:24 (nine years ago) link

He's terrible.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link

hope he gets crushed while trying to move a fridge

Ƹ༑Ʒ (imago), Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:31 (nine years ago) link

It's Impossible to Prevent Someone From Eyefucking You

We asked 10 women in eight countries to record every instance of street harassment -- every catcall, every ass-ogle, every creepy look -- for an entire week. The results? A strong argument for just becoming a shut-in.

mookieproof, Tuesday, 7 October 2014 23:35 (nine years ago) link

two weeks pass...

http://www.rookiemag.com/2014/10/ugly-as-i-want-to-be

mookieproof, Saturday, 25 October 2014 02:43 (nine years ago) link

http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/im-rich-youre-hot

mookieproof, Saturday, 1 November 2014 03:07 (nine years ago) link

that article is basically an ad for the sugar daddy site?

Walter MIDI (Crabbits), Sunday, 2 November 2014 17:40 (nine years ago) link

Most of us will never be rich enough or beautiful enough to qualify, so this is just another media story using our fantasies as the bait on their hook.

oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Sunday, 2 November 2014 18:11 (nine years ago) link

At happy hour, Boston’s coworkers pump him for details: How is going out with a sugar baby different from hiring an escort? He answers that he hires escorts, too, but that sugar babies are more like real dates. He doesn’t care if his peers judge him—he is transparent (Bruce Boston is his real name), awash in women, and, frankly, effervescent about it. Sugaring, he says, has changed his life. - See more at: http://www.modernluxury.com/san-francisco/story/im-rich-youre-hot#sthash.YwXUpvjs.dpuf

LIKE If you are against racism (omar little), Sunday, 2 November 2014 18:17 (nine years ago) link

the uber of creepazoids

Steve 'n' Seagulls and Flock of Van Dammes (forksclovetofu), Monday, 3 November 2014 00:30 (nine years ago) link

http://youtu.be/M2KPeMcYsuc

What's with all of the smug / scary "atheist" / libertarians attacking or misrepresenting feminists? The woman in the video is not impersonable at all! She makes a fair point.

I don't understand sexist atheists at all.

Threat Assessment Division (I M Losted), Monday, 3 November 2014 14:40 (nine years ago) link

What's wrong with being a sexy atheist?

my jaw left (Hurting 2), Monday, 3 November 2014 15:33 (nine years ago) link

Hypothesis: atheist libertarians are just your basic, simple-minded libertarians, who see feminism as a special interest group that distorts the free market by demanding equal pay for equal work and promotes other types of government meddling with their efforts to turn society into the war of all against all.

oh no! must be the season of the rich (Aimless), Monday, 3 November 2014 18:01 (nine years ago) link

one month passes...

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor/2014/12/09/gender_bias_in_student_evaluations_professors_of_online_courses_who_present.html?wpsrc=sh_all_tab_tw_top

One of the problems with simply assuming that sexism drives the tendency of students to giving higher ratings to men than women is that students are evaluating professors as a whole, making it hard to separate the impact of gender from other factors, like teaching style and coursework. But North Carolina researcher Lillian MacNell, along with co-authors Dr. Adam Driscoll and Dr. Andrea Hunt, found a way to blind students to the actual gender of instructors by focusing on online course studies. The researchers took two online course instructors, one male and one female, and gave them two classes to teach. Each professor presented as his or her own gender to one class and the opposite to the other.

The results were astonishing. Students gave professors they thought were male much higher evaluations across the board than they did professors they thought were female, regardless of what gender the professors actually were. When they told students they were men, both the male and female professors got a bump in ratings. When they told the students they were women, they took a hit in ratings. Because everything else was the same about them, this difference has to be the result of gender bias.

“The difference in the promptness rating is a good example for discussion,” MacNell explains in the press release for the study. "Classwork was graded and returned to students at the same time by both instructors. But the instructor students thought was male was given a 4.35 rating out of 5. The instructor students thought was female got a 3.55 rating.” Considering that professors were rated on a five-point scale, losing an entire point on the "promptness" question just because students think you're female is a major hit.

This particular study is small, so we shouldn't get carried away about its results. But it certainly suggests an important avenue for future research. Students penalized the perceived female professor in all 12 categories, including in qualities that women are usually assumed to excel at, such as being caring and respectful. This comports with other studies that show that while female professors are judged somewhat less harshly if they conform more to female stereotypes, men still get bonus points for showing up male.

, Wednesday, 10 December 2014 14:27 (nine years ago) link

Hmm. Yes.

Orson Wellies (in orbit), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link

I recently readthis interesting article on American teaching, which touches on its genderedness among other things. at center is the following conception of the teacher:

Indeed, the biggest insult to the intelligence of American teachers is the idea that their intelligence doesn’t matter. “The teaching of A, B, C, and the multiplication table has no quality of sacredness in it,” Horace Mann said in 1839. Instead of focusing on students’ mental skills, Mann urged, teachers should promote “good-will towards men” and “reverence to God.” Teachers need to be good, more than they need to be smart; their job is to nurture souls, not minds. So Garret Keizer’s first supervisor worried that he might have too many grades of A on his college transcript to succeed as a high school teacher, and Elizabeth Green concludes her otherwise skeptical book with the much-heard platitude that teachers need to “love” their students.

I wonder if American perceptions of woman faculty at American universities is shaped in reaction to American students' experiences with primary & secondary ed teachers who model that conception: shaped by a sense that there must be some reason there are a lot of men teaching at the university level but not at the primary & secondary levels, and that whatever that reason is, it entails that women university teachers are worse than men. if so, then as with many problems with American university learning, the source of the problem is in American attitudes toward primary & secondary ed.

droit au butt (Euler), Wednesday, 10 December 2014 15:57 (nine years ago) link


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