recommend for me: jazz + early synths/musique concrète/the studio-as-instrument

this isn't really the same kinda thing but i'm gonna put it here anyway. it's newer. sax + computer. cool album. he makes more normal modern jazz too with small and big groups.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZqSaZP0UuY

i love this album:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WUNkO1rfM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGJYEwTrRw0

this hubbard/mimaroglu lp is cool

excellent thread, will be looking into some of this

I definitely think the right LP cover was chosen to display every time this thread opens

Bob James - Explosions (1965)

http://www.espdisk.com/official/catalog/1009.html
http://www.allmusic.com/album/explosions-mw0000618404

Review by "Blue" Gene Tyranny
Probably the first recording of improvised jazz combined with electronic music, as well as playing inside the piano and other new music techniques. Contains lively and often humorous compositions by Bob James and Gordon Mumma ("Peasant Boy"), Bob Ashley and Bob James ("Untitled Mixes"), Bob James ("Explosions"), Barre Phillips ("An On"), and a version (not the full one for voice and electronics found in Source magazine) of "Wolfman" by Bob Ashley and Bob James. With Bob James (piano), Barre Phillips (bass), and Robert Pozar (percussion).

Recorded May 10, 1965 at Bell Sound Studios, NYC

This is (probably) the earliest one I can think of that actually came out at the time.

As mentioned upthread Terry Riley's "Music For The Gift" with Chet Baker was broadcast by Radio Paris in 1963 but remained unreleased until 2000.

http://www.allmusic.com/album/terry-riley-music-for-the-gift-bird-of-paradise-mescalin-mix-mw0000582672

"The Gift" is the work that opens the album, a jazz piece performed by Chet Baker with his quartet, and featuring tape manipulations by Riley using a delay mechanism through two looped tape recorders. All of it performed live for French radio. Over five sections the jazz quartet is eventually displaced and becomes part of a unit of sound that repeats itself, over and over again, whether it be the trumpet, a vocal, or the rhythm section, creating -- unintentionally, of course -- the precursor to the work that would become "In C," and create the entire minimalist movement.

Yeah, and Riley (especially when he's playing sax as well as keyboards) did a number of LPs which might fit this thread. Speaking of one with no synths but an electronics-infused aesthetic, what about Devotion? McLaughlin and organist Larry Young feed on and to stellar effects, even get Buddy Miles into orbit when appropriate (of course he's always generating the planet waves). Shorter's Super Nova was mentioned: never have listened to it all that much, but his avowed interest in mysticism and and out-there fiction comes through; distinctive line-up as well:
Bass – Miroslav Vitous
Drums, Kalimba [African Thumb Piano] – Jack DeJohnette
Drums, Vibraphone – Chick Corea
Guitar [Electric] – John McLaughlin, Sonny Sharrock
Guitar [Classical] – John McLaughlin (tracks: A2), Walter Booker (tracks: A3)
Percussion – Airto Moreira
Producer – Duke Pearson
Soprano Saxophone – Wayne Shorter
Vocals – Maria Booker (tracks: A3)

what an awesome thread - thanks for the j priester tip !
here's one i forgot:
dedalus: 70's italian prog fusioneers who got tired of that & went down a sparser path. i have a super comp on the elica label which is "pezzi inediti & materiali 74-76" which is one LP & most of another together. it's kinda like in a silent way meets starfuckers (the italian pre-sinistri starfuckers not those other namesake clowns).
also humcrush (or stronen/storlokken as tehy call themselves on their first CD) i prefer to supersilent (stale storlokken) is their keyboard player. they're less epic, much itchier whipcrack fusion with joe meek organ noises and kbd playing that's much more inventive than storlokken's jon lord / zawinul aping in the rollicking and excellent elephant9)

http://olewnick.blogspot.com/2011/11/greg-kelleyolivia-block-resolution.html

Jérôme Noetinger/Will Guthrie - Face Off -- I was thinking of this release, heavy on electronics and percussion with bits of music concrete (rain falling, room sounds etc.), but both releases sort of apply.. The Olivia Block/Greg Kelley heavier on atonal percussion/room sounds.

And a lot of the music in this lotsa-music doc seems to fit:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNhuwkmmzak

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R70XhXyDDuY

Material, especially this one:

Memory Serves

Bill Laswell – 4, 6 and 8 string basses
Michael Beinhorn – synthesizers, tapes, radio, guitar, drums, voice.
Fred Maher – drums, percussion, guitar (except "Silent Land")
Sonny Sharrock – guitar (except "Square Dance" and "Silent Land")
Fred Frith – guitar, violin, xylophone (1,4,5,7)
Olu Dara – cornet ("Disappearing", "Upriver")
Henry Threadgill – alto sax ("Disappearing", "Unauthorized", "Square Dance")
George Lewis – trombone ("Memory Serves", "Square Dance", "Silent Land")
Billy Bang – violin ("Upriver", "Unauthorized")
Charles K. Noyes – drums, percussion, bells ("Memory Serves", "Silent Land")

The only cover is "For A Few Dollars More."

there is also this single-track curiosity. this version is from 1960; there is an earlier version from 1952 available on the 'Studio GRM' 5 CD box; it's the same piece, using the same tape edits, but the live jazz band is recorded in much lower fidelity, so the tape part doesn't stand out as much as on the 1960 version.

http://www.discogs.com/Andr%C3%A9-Hodeir-Jazz-Et-Jazz/release/1425615
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzU6UShO9HU

This is a very French version of Jazz closer to the weird international vibe of Else Popping's 'Delirium in Hi-fi' (one of my all time favorites) - http://www.discogs.com/Andr%C3%A9-Popp-Delirium-In-Hi-Fi/release/1995773

'Delirium in Hi-Fi' is on Spotify and man is it worth taking in as a whole album, but

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6YPp0uLSnY

Electronic Sonata For Souls Loved By Nature (recorded in 1969) is an early example of 'jazz concrète' -- the performances are interspersed with manipulated tape recordings from various sources. some of the tape sounds are recognizable as music (like the Ugandan field recording at the beginning of side b), but there are also a lot of abstract droney passages playing the the background, and from time to time the instruments drop out so that all you can hear is the tape loop. he first recorded the piece in 1969 with a bunch of ECM guys, but there's a 1980 version (with different personnel) that I haven't heard.

(that's George Russell's Electronic Sonata For Souls Loved By Nature)

again on a scandi tip - "great curves" by rotoscope - andreas mjös & various musos we might recognize from jaga jazzist (i think mjös is their deathprod equivalent) assemble some glitchy / live fusion atmos/song/groove/extemporisation collages. i'm doing christine sandtorv an injustice to say she sounds like stina, but ye get the picture.

Been meaning to check out that George Russell record...most of his records, in fact (other than Ezz-Thetic, which I love). Seems like a pretty underrated figure.

i know a lot of this probably isn't on spotify but any chance of someone throwing together a best-of playlist with what is there?

http://open.spotify.com/user/bradcahoon/playlist/1R9iR2xYkZMXZnH8MNU0LG

Not a best-of obv

You guys should check out The Feed-Back, a 1970 album by The Group, which was a pseudonym for Il Gruppo di Improvvisazione di Nuova Consonanza, an avant-garde Italian collective that included Ennio Morricone (he played trumpet). It's like jazz-funk meets modern composition, all laid over an insane funk beat; honestly, it reminds me of On The Corner, but recorded two years earlier and slightly less dense, but also weirder at times. I'm actually writing a review of it that'll be on Burning Ambulance tomorrow; in the meantime, here's the title track:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKIvS2AI5O4

"Seems like a pretty underrated figure."

george russell was kinda born to be underrated. there are liner-notes going back 50 years about how underrated/underheard he is. maybe it was just meant to be.

i guess morricone's "gli occhi freddi della paura" OST would fit here as well (that's kind of of a gruppo di improv... effort)

hasn't 'the feed-back' album just been reissued ?

seem to have seen a few of my dj/collector friends on FB mentioning they have got copies recently.

^here's hoping. niente, the till recently unreleased followup to the feed-back lp, is worth checking out too...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiIT7K4A6rU

rabih beaini's "albidaya" would fit here, too - better than much it has been compared to:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r3dur47Ywlg

this album is cool.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-04Dey1SzQ

Thanks for the George Duke recommendation, really enjoying the MPS box

Cool! It was one of the best record purchases I've made in recent years.

do other folks rate this one?

http://beingsubstance.blogspot.com/2013/08/george-lewis-chicago-slow-dance.html

it's not musique concrete in the strong sense but it achieves something similar, i think

George Lewis' Voyager is a landmark piece for live improvisation and realtime interactive computer music. Pitch analysis and response. Your mileage may vary with the Yamaha FM synth sounds he chose to deploy the interactive computer responses, but it's still an amazing thing to see live, and he's revived / updated the piece recently with modern technology. Very impressed with the last few performances of his I've seen.

Don't know 'Chicago Slow Dance'.

i've been exploring george lewis's stuff recently, it's always interesting

Lewis' Homage to Charles Parker is really gorgeous, I wouldn't have gotten into it had Cook not given it 5 stars in Penguin Guide to Jazz

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd44vTL4Qc8

this has already become one of my favorite threads ever.

man, i haven't pulled that homage to charlie parker album out in a while. so beautiful.

sometimes i like the idea of chicago slow dance a bit more than the music itself. but it's still really inventive and unusual.

That youtube is the entire Homage to Charles Parker album, btw. The first 17:50 is the first track, "Blues." The rest of it is "Homage to Charles Parker" itself -- absolutely one of my favorite pieces of music ever, such raw naked emotion in the solos.

hasn't 'the feed-back' album just been reissued?

It has. I got the reissue in the mail, which is what sparked my review.

note to Spotify compiler: there are two Supersilent tracks available on compilations

Soft Machine - Six (studio half) and Seven

that feedback reissue is so friggin' pricey everywhere i look. if you ever want to sell your promo, phil, lemme know.

Spotify playlist spottily updated

Too bad Gil Evans' There Comes a Time is not available there, but there's quite a bit of synth on Svengali.

that feedback reissue is so friggin' pricey everywhere i look. if you ever want to sell your promo, phil, lemme know.

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i saw it on amazon for like $14...

cheapest on amazon right now is 27 bucks including shipping. which isn't horrible i guess...but i can't remember the last time i paid that much for a cd...

vinyl on amazon is 40 and up.

whole thing's on youtube, via Mr. Ambulance's review:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHpumFSr6t8#t=105

Good call re pre-On The Corner and especially the Canny use of crisp beats, which def. kept me listening, but overall preferring the actual OTC and actual Can, esp. much of what they're doing in that mostly-performance documentary I posted upthread.

yeah i only know it from youtube really. i'd like to have a hard copy.

Miles Davis' "Great Expectations" to fucking thread.

ha, someone must have bought that $14 copy. oh well.

this Jean Guérin track is pretty cool

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgLnLdBp5TQ

although it leans more toward jazz-inflected electronic than electronic-inflected jazz, and nothing else on the album is quite so jazzy.

that's sweet