nothing is more discouraging than laboring away at a blog or something and having nobody read what you wrote
I definitely have been there though sometimes something cool happens like the time Andrew W.K. linked to one of my posts through FB and Twitter and I got like a 1000 views overnight
― Maggie killed Quagmire (collest baby ever) (frogbs), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 19:00 (nine years ago) link
flag boast
― post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:10 (nine years ago) link
(but really, that would be cool. congrats.)
― post...aftermath (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 21:11 (nine years ago) link
alpine and scott otm throughout of course but there's something a bit sadistic about yelling "the old methods don't work, let us go boldly into the future" to people who just invested ten years diligently and intelligently trying to work by those old methods
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 August 2014 03:14 (nine years ago) link
The only reason our blog regularly got 100 views a day was because my mate wrote a listicle about the Top 10 beards in rock.
― radioplay vs coldhead (dog latin), Thursday, 28 August 2014 08:54 (nine years ago) link
"Old methods"? Who the hell spent their youth thinking writing abt music ws going to earn them money?
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, 28 August 2014 09:26 (nine years ago) link
there's something a bit sadistic about yelling "the old methods don't work, let us go boldly into the future" to people who just invested ten years diligently and intelligently trying to work by those old methods
its more sadistic to tell them the old methods do work when they patently don't. scott otm, on doing your own thing but also about this thread having bad mojo. i regularly unfollow because it gets me down but every new clusterfuck draws me back. but fuck it, of course there's terrible writing out there. but better to spend time focusing on the good, or doing your own.
― you couldn't even wear a fedora if your lifes depended on it (stevie), Thursday, 28 August 2014 09:47 (nine years ago) link
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:26 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink
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― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 28 August 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
:,(
― maura, Thursday, 28 August 2014 15:29 (nine years ago) link
http://mkalty.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/hang-in-there-baby.jpg
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:17 (nine years ago) link
the old ways
― j., Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:23 (nine years ago) link
"the old methods" = getting an internship/freelance gig at a major publication, struggling and honing your craft while publishing wherever you can, getting a staff position at that publication.It was hardly a failsafe or a given that process could or world work but the presumption was that if you had the talent and diligence and put in the time, you could find a living wage if you were one of the hard-working and lucky ones to break through. cf to that SF job posting.
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:27 (nine years ago) link
http://culture.pagannewswirecollective.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/wicker-man-lee.jpg
― Welcome to my spooooooky carnival! Hope I don't... blow your mind! (Phil D.), Thursday, 28 August 2014 17:31 (nine years ago) link
so normally I'd agree with the "bad mojo" stuff (even if it does veer perilously close to "just get a job making 94K and bennies!") and try to limit myself to the most abhorrent, mean-spirited and/or gross of the worst.
in that spirit, this is just a blurb but somehow condenses so much into three sentences:
http://seattlish.com/post/96123357756/erm-the-weeklys-bumbershoot-preview-for-la-luz-is
― katherine, Saturday, 30 August 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
It reads like he reverse-engineered the blurb from the Stooges reference
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Saturday, 30 August 2014 22:18 (nine years ago) link
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/jazz-after-politics/
Argh, fuck this fucking guy.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Monday, 8 September 2014 18:57 (nine years ago) link
yeah, that was making the rounds among my jazz folks today including a few very incensed people
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:02 (nine years ago) link
way way too stupid to bother being incensed about
― Merdeyeux, Monday, 8 September 2014 19:07 (nine years ago) link
"too stupid" is not something this thread is concerned about, as it has been demonstrated previously
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:09 (nine years ago) link
I find this guy persistently awful. It upsets me that he's the head of a music department at what's supposed to be a progressive college.
― 'arry Goldman (Hurting 2), Monday, 8 September 2014 19:11 (nine years ago) link
Moyer pretty effectively slays one sacred cow implicated in this: not all improvised music is great. Yes, improvisation has produced some wonderful music, but it has also imposed plenty of tedium on audiences over the years.
The strawman of "everyone, everywhere, throughout recorded history has consistently stated that all improvised music is always great" aside, how is he even allowed access to a computer, much less employed by a college?
Also, all music is improvised, but that's another argument.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Monday, 8 September 2014 20:01 (nine years ago) link
solid takedowns:http://shujaxhaider.tumblr.com/post/96913433533/in-response-to-john-hallehttp://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/2014/09/without-a-song.html
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Monday, 8 September 2014 22:02 (nine years ago) link
Ugh at original article, yay at takedowns.
― Good Time Charlie Don't Surf (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 8 September 2014 23:20 (nine years ago) link
ahahaha at all this
― everybody loves lana del raymond (s.clover), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 17:39 (nine years ago) link
all this poor writing out of a dumb parody piece that only hardcore sonny rollins fans would understand anyway
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:20 (nine years ago) link
listening to miles davis' "get up with it" at a loud volume has helped me ignore these stupid jazz arguments. jazz is best when you listen to the music and avoid dumbfuck jazzheads arguing tired debates
― marcos, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:32 (nine years ago) link
^ yes, and this also applies to almost every other form of music.
― everything, Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:38 (nine years ago) link
halle condescendingly underplays how truly revolutionary jazz was from a modernist standpoint, as a form of collage 1,000,000x more vital and generative than, say, cubism. however, he is right that it is like rock music now, or poetry, or the novel: an art form whose performance and appreciation is inseparable from nostalgia. it's "dead" in the sense that it's cultural moment has passed. in the present tense of listening, it can be vital and moving and everything else, but it is an activity that is neither mainstream nor underground, a museum piece. museums are great though.
― love (the band) loves to love love (Treeship), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:40 (nine years ago) link
museums are great though
― famous instagram God (waterface), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:43 (nine years ago) link
the first takedown forks linked is incredible:
This is not an argument against jazz. This is an argument against capitalism. To deny its victims pleasure, expression, and selfhood in the name of the Left is as odious as the apparatuses of the state themselves...Leftist cultural criticism becomes tedious when its practitioners claim that any artwork that does not single-handedly dismantle capitalism is thereby reactionary. It seems to me that the field should instead be characterized by a spirit of empathy and debate, two ideals epitomized by jazz. John Halle should listen closer.
― love (the band) loves to love love (Treeship), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:50 (nine years ago) link
paragraph 2:
Any doubts on that score can be answered with a trip to the wall of corporate sponsors of jazz in Lincoln Center, followed by a visit to Dizzy’s Coca Cola club, the center’s flagship concert hall.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 18:53 (nine years ago) link
Dizzy's is a dope place to see a show
― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Tuesday, 9 September 2014 23:29 (nine years ago) link
Best set at Dizzy's is the aftershow, afterhours thing with the other band.
― Good Time Charlie Don't Surf (James Redd and the Blecchs), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 00:55 (nine years ago) link
http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2771-the-eminem-show/
Just came across this old pitchfork review -- i'm fine with the casual style if there's substance behind it, but this seems pretty flimsy. Maybe if i read p4k more i'd get it, idk
― chilli, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 01:21 (nine years ago) link
you dun goofed
― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 01:24 (nine years ago) link
idk. i think it was you who said that ilx is the old sow that eats her farrow.
― love (the band) loves to love love (Treeship), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 01:32 (nine years ago) link
is that review by glorious ilm saint and what?
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 02:01 (nine years ago) link
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu)
my thoughts exactly. i'm glad this thread is here to document the weird chain reaction that rollins satire piece generated.
― borntohula, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 02:04 (nine years ago) link
Apologies if so, i might not be in on the joke. But i don't think the homophobic stuff is really acceptable either, even for '02
― chilli, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 02:40 (nine years ago) link
i did some contract work for jalc and have seen numerous shows at all the rooms; dizzy's is a great place to see a show and the aforementioned afterparty is loads of fun.
― the other song about butts in the top 5 (forksclovetofu), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 03:21 (nine years ago) link
Apologies if so, i might not be in on the joke. But i don't think the homophobic stuff is really acceptable either, even for '02 --chilli
Hope you don't like Lil Wayne!
― bozack horseman (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 03:30 (nine years ago) link
I don't really, but that's not relevant. When i'm listening to rap, reading messageboards etc i have a different set of expectations than when i'm reading music journalism
― chilli, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 06:20 (nine years ago) link
oh, ffs...
http://johnhalle.com/outragesandinterludes/?p=149
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:29 (nine years ago) link
lol @ chilli
― example (crüt), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 22:31 (nine years ago) link
https://medium.com/cuepoint/were-all-djs-now-8d94ee912c6d
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:18 (nine years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtLnies1IIw
― maura, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:25 (nine years ago) link
This question can be a superb segue to a conversation about a genre or artist, but also I get to size up the depth of a person’s music knowledge and the quality of his or her tastes. If the friend replies “Britney Spears’ wedding to K-Fed,” I know I need to be more selective about who I spend time with.
I feel the same way about writers who make a K-Fed joke in 2014
― da croupier, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:30 (nine years ago) link
Around 30 years ago I saw my first real DJ — the scratchy-scratch kind — and began to understand what music selection and turntable talent and rocking a party was all about.
― da croupier, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:33 (nine years ago) link
http://mic.com/articles/98310/scientists-prove-what-we-all-secretly-think-about-people-who-love-pop-music
― maura, Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:47 (nine years ago) link
Oh, so creativity is a quantitative measure.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 10 September 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link