OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

"Ugh, I don't want to start my own zine."

duh, i'm not talking about you slackers. people with energy. and pep.

writing essay-length posts on ilx is probably the easiest way to reach a receptive -- or at least reactive -- readership for your views on music.

nothing is more discouraging than laboring away at a blog or something and having nobody read what you wrote.

writing essay-length posts on ilx is probably the easiest way to reach a receptive -- or at least reactive -- readership for your views on music.

― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 1:00 PM (4 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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writing essay-length posts on ilx is probably the easiest way to reach a receptive -- or at least reactive -- readership for your views on music.

― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 7:00 PM (29 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

*throws up all over keyboard*

this college radio DJ writing all over a soft machine record has provided me with my ur-blog entertainment for the day.

https://scontent-a-atl.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/t1.0-9/10632697_10153289057817137_1283090260107719433_n.jpg

even an ur-comment section!

waterface, why don't you start a zine?

he's too busy working on his zing

i used to love reading the write-ups on record sleeves at my college radio station, scott. there too people would often add little addendums to the original texts.

Let's show the sinners that we have the stamina to keep up with this dangerous, tragic, uncertain world! Let's SPREAD CHRIST'S LOVE!!!

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― ra's al goole (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, August 27, 2014 5:49 PM (59 minutes ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

class post

nothing is more discouraging than laboring away at a blog or something and having nobody read what you wrote

I definitely have been there though sometimes something cool happens like the time Andrew W.K. linked to one of my posts through FB and Twitter and I got like a 1000 views overnight

flag boast

(but really, that would be cool. congrats.)

alpine and scott otm throughout of course but there's something a bit sadistic about yelling "the old methods don't work, let us go boldly into the future" to people who just invested ten years diligently and intelligently trying to work by those old methods

The only reason our blog regularly got 100 views a day was because my mate wrote a listicle about the Top 10 beards in rock.

"Old methods"? Who the hell spent their youth thinking writing abt music ws going to earn them money?

there's something a bit sadistic about yelling "the old methods don't work, let us go boldly into the future" to people who just invested ten years diligently and intelligently trying to work by those old methods

its more sadistic to tell them the old methods do work when they patently don't. scott otm, on doing your own thing but also about this thread having bad mojo. i regularly unfollow because it gets me down but every new clusterfuck draws me back. but fuck it, of course there's terrible writing out there. but better to spend time focusing on the good, or doing your own.

"Old methods"? Who the hell spent their youth thinking writing abt music ws going to earn them money?

― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Thursday, August 28, 2014 5:26 AM (5 hours ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

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the old ways

"the old methods" = getting an internship/freelance gig at a major publication, struggling and honing your craft while publishing wherever you can, getting a staff position at that publication.
It was hardly a failsafe or a given that process could or world work but the presumption was that if you had the talent and diligence and put in the time, you could find a living wage if you were one of the hard-working and lucky ones to break through. cf to that SF job posting.

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so normally I'd agree with the "bad mojo" stuff (even if it does veer perilously close to "just get a job making 94K and bennies!") and try to limit myself to the most abhorrent, mean-spirited and/or gross of the worst.

in that spirit, this is just a blurb but somehow condenses so much into three sentences:

http://seattlish.com/post/96123357756/erm-the-weeklys-bumbershoot-preview-for-la-luz-is

It reads like he reverse-engineered the blurb from the Stooges reference

https://www.jacobinmag.com/2014/09/jazz-after-politics/

Argh, fuck this fucking guy.

yeah, that was making the rounds among my jazz folks today including a few very incensed people

way way too stupid to bother being incensed about

"too stupid" is not something this thread is concerned about, as it has been demonstrated previously

I find this guy persistently awful. It upsets me that he's the head of a music department at what's supposed to be a progressive college.

Moyer pretty effectively slays one sacred cow implicated in this: not all improvised music is great. Yes, improvisation has produced some wonderful music, but it has also imposed plenty of tedium on audiences over the years.

The strawman of "everyone, everywhere, throughout recorded history has consistently stated that all improvised music is always great" aside, how is he even allowed access to a computer, much less employed by a college?

Also, all music is improvised, but that's another argument.

solid takedowns:
http://shujaxhaider.tumblr.com/post/96913433533/in-response-to-john-halle
http://dothemath.typepad.com/dtm/2014/09/without-a-song.html

Ugh at original article, yay at takedowns.

ahahaha at all this

all this poor writing out of a dumb parody piece that only hardcore sonny rollins fans would understand anyway

listening to miles davis' "get up with it" at a loud volume has helped me ignore these stupid jazz arguments. jazz is best when you listen to the music and avoid dumbfuck jazzheads arguing tired debates

^ yes, and this also applies to almost every other form of music.

halle condescendingly underplays how truly revolutionary jazz was from a modernist standpoint, as a form of collage 1,000,000x more vital and generative than, say, cubism. however, he is right that it is like rock music now, or poetry, or the novel: an art form whose performance and appreciation is inseparable from nostalgia. it's "dead" in the sense that it's cultural moment has passed. in the present tense of listening, it can be vital and moving and everything else, but it is an activity that is neither mainstream nor underground, a museum piece. museums are great though.

museums are great though

the first takedown forks linked is incredible:

This is not an argument against jazz. This is an argument against capitalism. To deny its victims pleasure, expression, and selfhood in the name of the Left is as odious as the apparatuses of the state themselves...Leftist cultural criticism becomes tedious when its practitioners claim that any artwork that does not single-handedly dismantle capitalism is thereby reactionary. It seems to me that the field should instead be characterized by a spirit of empathy and debate, two ideals epitomized by jazz. John Halle should listen closer.

paragraph 2:

Any doubts on that score can be answered with a trip to the wall of corporate sponsors of jazz in Lincoln Center, followed by a visit to Dizzy’s Coca Cola club, the center’s flagship concert hall.

Dizzy's is a dope place to see a show

Best set at Dizzy's is the aftershow, afterhours thing with the other band.

http://pitchfork.com/reviews/albums/2771-the-eminem-show/

Just came across this old pitchfork review -- i'm fine with the casual style if there's substance behind it, but this seems pretty flimsy. Maybe if i read p4k more i'd get it, idk

you dun goofed

idk. i think it was you who said that ilx is the old sow that eats her farrow.

is that review by glorious ilm saint and what?