OK, is this the worst piece of music writing ever?

Message Bookmarked
Bookmark Removed
Not all messages are displayed: show all messages (10313 of them)

OMG a piece of writing about a male pop star* which treats his body with the same level of objectification that female pop stars are just routinely subjected to!!!1!11

*Yes, I know, before you all jump on me: Racial implications are complicated. But still.

Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link

I don't think writing fallen Mandingo fanfic is the route we want to go down to combat sexism but that's just me.

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link

"And like his pendulous man-tits, D's newest joints wobbled in the deepening Brooklyn night before heaving skyward for a thundering and elephantine climax that left even his hungriest fans emitting soft burps of approbation"

TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link

Heavy beats, weighty lyrics, fat low end

flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, I know, it's racist tripe, and crossing another line into dismissive in a slightly sexist way towards his implied fans, in the way that "Serious Music Journalist Snides at Act Perceived as Popular With Women" always does.

(I still laughed though).

((I am admittedly a terrible person))

Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link

Exactly how much do you know about D'Angelo?

tsrobodo, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link

I don't feel like having that particular clusterfuck today, so point taken. Peace out.

Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

I haven't personally seen reviews that drift off into dreamlike sexual fantasies mid sentence regardless of the gender in question.

Evan, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

pretty sure that sort of idiot shit happens more to non-white male artists than you might guess, esp in the coded "intimidating size/physically imposing" way applied to rap dudes that i see way too much. nobody every led off a review throughline with Glenn Frey getting paunchy.

Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link

"OMG a piece of writing about a male pop star* which treats his body with the same level of objectification that female pop stars are just routinely subjected to!!!1!11"

yes thank you for this sophisticated 'two wrongs make a right' analysis, well done

maura, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link

gonna go google "d'angelo tiny abdominal muscles" to find out whether this publication is bigger or smaller than a breadbox

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link

ooh, bigger

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link

I'm even struck by how his face has a vague resemblance to a Nazi helmet — that sleek, matte finish, that dull glans sheen.

a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link

oh gross.

how's life, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link

shine bright like a cock head

Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link

well THAT was fun to google

da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link

how can sheen be dull and matte?

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link

that's fêted pop critic simon reynolds btw, seemed relevant

a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link

to the discussion, I mean, obv

a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link

can't believe Parade Magazine published these

Peeking at Peak Petty (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link

briefly tempted to go with "fallen Mandingo fanfic" dn, reason won out

how can sheen be dull and matte?

― EZ Snappin,

he has been ever since he left "Spin City"

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link

badabing!

EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link

Jody Rosen (the other one) posted this on Twitter this morning, and it's a pretty good demo of a person who just yesterday started listening to pop/Beyonce deciding to write about it: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/26/beyonc-is-our-indigo-girl-the-halcyon-90s-and-feminism-s-resurgence-in-pop-music.html

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link

it reads like the work of someone whose knowledge of everything they write about in that feature was sourced entirely from wikipedia this afternoon.

you couldn't even wear a fedora if your lifes depended on it (stevie), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link

En Vogue had a standout hit on their own that continues to be a great feminist break-up record in “Never Gonna Get It,” a predecessor to Beyoncé’s “Single Ladies” in the realm of songs empowering women to tell those disrespectful ex-boyfriends where they can shove it.

this mix of declarative flatness with calculated informal breaks is exactly how my students write for the paper.

guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link

idk what people mean by "feminist" anymore

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link

fortunately neither does anybody else apparently

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link

Feminist: a person who believes in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes

Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link

idk Marcotte doesn't usually write about music, does she? It's certainly better than when political op-ed writers would talk about gangsta rap groups like Nine Inch Nails.

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, that piece may have been banal but it's not like the writing or the thesis is worthy of this thread.

I know that piece doesn't exactly reek of in-depth musical expertise, but if prominent feminist writers want to sometimes write a column about feminist messages in music, that seems fine with me.

not that they need my approval, definite poor choice of words on that. Just mean that it's weird to see it show up in the worst music writing thread, right after the piece about how D'Angelo used to be capital-S sexy and then he gained weight

I'm fine with it too, but not if it means disregarding entire eras of music (Rosen's Twitter feed spells it out pretty well what's wrong w/ it).

I'd rather discuss (and mock) pieces like this rather than the college paper shit that usually gets posted in this thread as of late.

(and I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Marcotte, I'm still bitter about how she's handled criticism from feminist POC about various issues).

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, fair point. I'm not a huge fan of Marcotte either.

this jody rosen? http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/beyonce-the-woman-on-top-of-the-world/

rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:33 (nine years ago) link

Yeah, that's him. I don't see your point.

Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link

unfair, but kind of funny:

Beyonce: The Woman on Top of the World
By JODY ROSEN

A few years ago, Beyoncé Knowles was like any other record-breaking pop star in an already crowded field. Then something changed.

Jody Rosen ‏@jodyrosen

"But somehow, seemingly overnight, things changed." The Somehow Seemingly Overnight Theory of History.

Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link

This isn't funny or interesting enough to be in this thread tho, rly

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link

http://www.journalismjobs.com/Job_Listing.cfm?JobID=1602421

maura, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link

that piece may have been banal but it's not like the writing or the thesis is worthy of this thread

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link

simon reynolds line is disgusting, tho

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link

Which line is that?

sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link

the one about ll cool j's face looking like a nazi helmet

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link

and this is a guy who said that indie bands were racist for not incorporating enough "rhythm"

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link

or wait, that's sasha frere-jones. simon reynolds said that british indie fans didn't listen to r&b or hip-hop, which is probably true. point redacted.

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link

more offended by his comparing it to a penis, myself

Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link

Reynolds' line about the nazi helmet is in response to LL comparing himself to Hitler, no?

Position Position, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link

nazi dickhead ll cool j

lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link


You must be logged in to post. Please either login here, or if you are not registered, you may register here.