OMG a piece of writing about a male pop star* which treats his body with the same level of objectification that female pop stars are just routinely subjected to!!!1!11
*Yes, I know, before you all jump on me: Racial implications are complicated. But still.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:05 (nine years ago) link
I don't think writing fallen Mandingo fanfic is the route we want to go down to combat sexism but that's just me.
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:08 (nine years ago) link
"And like his pendulous man-tits, D's newest joints wobbled in the deepening Brooklyn night before heaving skyward for a thundering and elephantine climax that left even his hungriest fans emitting soft burps of approbation"
― TracerHandVEVO (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:10 (nine years ago) link
Heavy beats, weighty lyrics, fat low end
― flamboyant goon tie included, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:13 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, I know, it's racist tripe, and crossing another line into dismissive in a slightly sexist way towards his implied fans, in the way that "Serious Music Journalist Snides at Act Perceived as Popular With Women" always does.
(I still laughed though).
((I am admittedly a terrible person))
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:15 (nine years ago) link
Exactly how much do you know about D'Angelo?
― tsrobodo, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:16 (nine years ago) link
I don't feel like having that particular clusterfuck today, so point taken. Peace out.
― Shugazi (Branwell with an N), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
I haven't personally seen reviews that drift off into dreamlike sexual fantasies mid sentence regardless of the gender in question.
― Evan, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
pretty sure that sort of idiot shit happens more to non-white male artists than you might guess, esp in the coded "intimidating size/physically imposing" way applied to rap dudes that i see way too much. nobody every led off a review throughline with Glenn Frey getting paunchy.
― Everyone is awful except you. Wait, no, you are also awful. (jjjusten), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:22 (nine years ago) link
"OMG a piece of writing about a male pop star* which treats his body with the same level of objectification that female pop stars are just routinely subjected to!!!1!11"
yes thank you for this sophisticated 'two wrongs make a right' analysis, well done
― maura, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 15:24 (nine years ago) link
gonna go google "d'angelo tiny abdominal muscles" to find out whether this publication is bigger or smaller than a breadbox
― da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:18 (nine years ago) link
ooh, bigger
― da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:19 (nine years ago) link
I'm even struck by how his face has a vague resemblance to a Nazi helmet — that sleek, matte finish, that dull glans sheen.
― a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:45 (nine years ago) link
oh gross.
― how's life, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:49 (nine years ago) link
shine bright like a cock head
― Star Gentle Uterus (DJP), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:51 (nine years ago) link
well THAT was fun to google
― da croupier, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
how can sheen be dull and matte?
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:53 (nine years ago) link
that's fêted pop critic simon reynolds btw, seemed relevant
― a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:55 (nine years ago) link
to the discussion, I mean, obv
can't believe Parade Magazine published these
― Peeking at Peak Petty (Sufjan Grafton), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 16:57 (nine years ago) link
briefly tempted to go with "fallen Mandingo fanfic" dn, reason won out
― go ahead. make vid where u rap about this new TMNT movie. (forksclovetofu), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
― EZ Snappin,
he has been ever since he left "Spin City"
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:03 (nine years ago) link
badabing!
― EZ Snappin, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:05 (nine years ago) link
http://www.bite.ca/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Clap-clap-clap.gif
― a spectrum is taunting ur OP (wins), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 17:07 (nine years ago) link
Jody Rosen (the other one) posted this on Twitter this morning, and it's a pretty good demo of a person who just yesterday started listening to pop/Beyonce deciding to write about it: http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/08/26/beyonc-is-our-indigo-girl-the-halcyon-90s-and-feminism-s-resurgence-in-pop-music.html
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 19:22 (nine years ago) link
it reads like the work of someone whose knowledge of everything they write about in that feature was sourced entirely from wikipedia this afternoon.
― you couldn't even wear a fedora if your lifes depended on it (stevie), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:24 (nine years ago) link
En Vogue had a standout hit on their own that continues to be a great feminist break-up record in “Never Gonna Get It,” a predecessor to Beyoncé’s “Single Ladies” in the realm of songs empowering women to tell those disrespectful ex-boyfriends where they can shove it.
this mix of declarative flatness with calculated informal breaks is exactly how my students write for the paper.
― guess that bundt gettin eaten (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:25 (nine years ago) link
idk what people mean by "feminist" anymore
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:40 (nine years ago) link
fortunately neither does anybody else apparently
Feminist: a person who believes in the social, political, and economic equality of the sexes
― Daphnis Celesta, Tuesday, 26 August 2014 20:42 (nine years ago) link
idk Marcotte doesn't usually write about music, does she? It's certainly better than when political op-ed writers would talk about gangsta rap groups like Nine Inch Nails.
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:41 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that piece may have been banal but it's not like the writing or the thesis is worthy of this thread.
― Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:49 (nine years ago) link
I know that piece doesn't exactly reek of in-depth musical expertise, but if prominent feminist writers want to sometimes write a column about feminist messages in music, that seems fine with me.
― Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:51 (nine years ago) link
not that they need my approval, definite poor choice of words on that. Just mean that it's weird to see it show up in the worst music writing thread, right after the piece about how D'Angelo used to be capital-S sexy and then he gained weight
― Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:52 (nine years ago) link
I'm fine with it too, but not if it means disregarding entire eras of music (Rosen's Twitter feed spells it out pretty well what's wrong w/ it).
I'd rather discuss (and mock) pieces like this rather than the college paper shit that usually gets posted in this thread as of late.
(and I'll be honest, I'm not a huge fan of Marcotte, I'm still bitter about how she's handled criticism from feminist POC about various issues).
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Tuesday, 26 August 2014 23:54 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, fair point. I'm not a huge fan of Marcotte either.
― Man, when I tell you she was cool, she was red hot, I mean she was (intheblanks), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:04 (nine years ago) link
this jody rosen? http://tmagazine.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/06/03/beyonce-the-woman-on-top-of-the-world/
― rap steve gadd (D-40), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:33 (nine years ago) link
Yeah, that's him. I don't see your point.
― Herbie Handcock (Murgatroid), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 00:52 (nine years ago) link
unfair, but kind of funny:
Beyonce: The Woman on Top of the WorldBy JODY ROSEN
A few years ago, Beyoncé Knowles was like any other record-breaking pop star in an already crowded field. Then something changed.
Jody Rosen @jodyrosen
"But somehow, seemingly overnight, things changed." The Somehow Seemingly Overnight Theory of History.
― Now you're messing with a (President Keyes), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:12 (nine years ago) link
This isn't funny or interesting enough to be in this thread tho, rly
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:19 (nine years ago) link
http://www.journalismjobs.com/Job_Listing.cfm?JobID=1602421
― maura, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 13:53 (nine years ago) link
that piece may have been banal but it's not like the writing or the thesis is worthy of this thread
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:11 (nine years ago) link
simon reynolds line is disgusting, tho
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:12 (nine years ago) link
Which line is that?
― sonic thedgehod (albvivertine), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:29 (nine years ago) link
the one about ll cool j's face looking like a nazi helmet
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:36 (nine years ago) link
and this is a guy who said that indie bands were racist for not incorporating enough "rhythm"
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:37 (nine years ago) link
or wait, that's sasha frere-jones. simon reynolds said that british indie fans didn't listen to r&b or hip-hop, which is probably true. point redacted.
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:38 (nine years ago) link
more offended by his comparing it to a penis, myself
― Adding ease. Adding wonder. Adding (contenderizer), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:39 (nine years ago) link
Reynolds' line about the nazi helmet is in response to LL comparing himself to Hitler, no?
― Position Position, Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:50 (nine years ago) link
nazi dickhead ll cool j
― lars von (Treeship), Wednesday, 27 August 2014 14:53 (nine years ago) link