TRUE DETECTIVE on hbo - matthew mcconaughey, woody harrelson, michelle monaghan, fukunaga, pizzolatto

I don't think this is as big a deal as some do. Some of the examples compared aren't convincing at all but it's clear that more than just ideas were taken. If he changed some sentences a bit more it would have been totally fine.

Whatever the case, Ligotti is selling better and that's nice. I doubt he'll ever comment on the matter and I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't know anything about it.

I still haven't figured out how to word-search a page on my kindle, I wanted to search "Moore" and "Morrisson" last night but I wanted to go to bed more.

I just figured out the word-search now. Finally!

now go search out the light

but it's clear that more than just ideas were taken. If he changed some sentences a bit more it would have been totally fine.

Which sentences? I've read all the articles posted itt and I don't see examples of this. The longest word-for-word match was "should not exist by natural law," and they both used "tragic"/'tragedy", "conscious[ness,]" and "evolve"/"evolution" within a few sentences of each other (possibly - there are a lot of ellipses of uncertain length in the Ligotti quotes).

Those are the ones. But like I said, I don't think this is that big a deal, I just think they are a tad too similar.

I think the accusations of Aronofsky and Nolan stealing from Satoshi Kon were completely overblown. But I'd say Roger Dean suing over Avatar was justified.

RAG have you seen this

http://vimeo.com/m/101675469

I don't know ligotti but I do know schopenhauer, cioran, et al and it was pretty clear rust was riffing on that "tradition" from the beginning. which is partly why I was annoyed at the "dorm room philosophy" stuff--it wasn't exactly original or loopy stuff he was saying but pretty close to age-old ways of thinking.

Thanks, I hadn't seen that Kon piece.

so i've been watching this of late and finished it at the weekend. can't recall any other show veering so suddenly and spectacularly off the rails as that terrible last episode! loved how it had been built up - those slow, atmospheric first three episodes building tension but not moving the plot anywhere fast (had to get used to this, having just come from the pow-pow-pow plots of orphan black and utopia), then the fourth episode finally breaking it all open action-wise (and how great that the tone and style of that episode was never repeated), then the fifth episode PEAKING in every respect - then it seemed like it was totally on pace for a satisfying conclusion until the final revelations were clichés and plotholes and nonsense.

the entire point was, like, conspiracy and dark mythology, and it was like the finale completely ignored all that lead-up to deliver a really really bog-standard and offensively caricatured serial killer conclusion. the killer was pretty implausible in the context of any conspiracy involving authorities, too. it could've redeemed itself had the showdown gone somewhere really dark - killer luring rust into his web to do WHAT to him? oh, just conk him on the head. whatevz. when his halfwit lover said "he's the worst thing ever" the show could've done with actually demonstrating that.

and then we were only halfway through the running time so we got what felt like five days' worth of rambling philosophising as if that's what anyone was there for in the first place, and this time without even marty bothering to puncture it. idk why they thought i'd been following the show because of their mundanely antagonistic relationship (they should've just fucked & got it over with) rather than the case.

(obv i found the lack of decent female characters a bit ~problematic throughout the season but it's not as if it let its male leads get away with their male bullshit; the related failure was more that every other character was just a device that the writers dropped in and pulled out entirely for their own convenience. it felt a bit like the show could've gone anywhere partly because the writers would write anyone convenient in.)

yep.

time is a flat circle; dr

totes

Time is a ∞

time is a spliff

and God is toking us

what if god was one of us

what if God was toking us

lex otm

I just finished this and loved it right up until the last episode which was total garbage and so disappointing. Lex completely otm. MM so good throughout though. Could have done without all that bullshit at the end with the near death experience and oh it was just infuriating. I had such high hopes. :(

man u r all so cynical, need to find jesus or something

otm

finding jesus is as easy as finding the bad guy hiding in a cave in the woods

the biker dude ginger is the same actor as the dude who sez 'you guys up for some reggae tonight' in ghost world

same character too

lol xp

this guy?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ke-_nKHpDs

wait just a damn second here.

http://i.imgur.com/tU4yvLs.jpg

Finally mainlined the first 4 episodes last night. Good show, amazing cinematography, nice modern southern gothic touches. I enjoy Rust's rants but kind of wonder where they are going w the whole occult thing, which is all 100% insane made-up 80s Christian scare tactic stuff. Really wouldn't surprise me if it was just one of the tent revivalalists doing horrible shit and blaming it on satanists. I get the idea Rust knows this and hence his characterizing the mayor's cousin and Anti-Christian Task Force as opportunists.

Marty really fucked up his marriage. Maybe after the case he end up in a Die Hard-like situation and reconciles with his wife on national TV.

Can't wait to see what beer can action figures Rust makes next.

there was a louisiana parish that had a series of confirmed molestation cases sort of like this, which pizzolato acknowledged as the thing that kickstarted the idea for the show in part, it was one of the only real instances of satanic-related molestation and I don't think it happened when the satanic ritual abuse allegations were happening in droves

here's the original nytimes article on it http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/25/us/sex-charges-follow-a-churchs-collapse.html?_r=0

Wow.....yeeesh.

So yes it does sound exactly like that, horrific abuses occurring in a Christian community, mutliple chuch members involved, and the nature of those abuses incurring the convenient label of "Satanic". The Satanic Bible actually prohibits that kind of stuff. It's wholly the invention of 80s anti-metal culture crusaders.

I guess it boils down to what is more plausible, these horrible people that did the crimes deciding to spraypaint red pentagrams and kill feral cats in order to throw investigators off the trail, or an unseen cult of ritual murder that has no written historical basis outside of sad stories like these.

Mostly I just want to have a beer with Matthew McConaughey.

There's more to it. He testified in court that his confession was made up, that he was under the control of Lois Mowbray who was the actual leader of church - even both of his sons recanted & said the abuse never happened

http://forensicpsychologist.blogspot.com/2008/09/of-child-molestation-and-crystal-balls.html?m=1

http://www.reid.com/pdfs/summer2010/Lamonica.pdf

Ok wow, did not expect it to turn into Dark Souls there at the end.

I was sure they were both just going to die, hidden in that deep cavernous room where no-one had any idea where they were, bleeding out.

What was with that swirling shit Rust was looking up at on the ceiling?

Oh, him chugging that bottle of robotussin earlier in the season, that brought back some bad feels.

Really liked that ending though. Rust tended to say some detached and nihilist-sounding stuff but underneath it all was clearly some kind of spirituality. He talked about souls a few times in the early part of the season. I took the whole "Why become a father, take that soul out of nothingness and pull it into this horrible existence" speech as evidence of that.

Don't think him having a profound near-death experience is character-breaking in any way, dude has profound experiences just driving his car.

Did anyone figure out how many people from the cult were left? They killed 3, and Tuttle died as well. It's hard to tell from the video just how many were involved.

Marty really fucked up his marriage. Maybe after the case he end up in a Die Hard-like situation and reconciles with his wife on national TV.

Now I can say it – you weren't too far off!

LOL yeah, especially with the off-camera gunshot to kill the raging maniac right before he gets the good guys.

Reading over this thread and various analysis, it seems like people really read too much into the wrong things, and were upset that the ending didn't feed into that. The mythology the cult members were following was lifted completely from Victorian-era fiction, which is good stuff, but more or less fanfiction versions of the occult. No real underlying history to the stuff, just fabricated by horror/fantasy/satire writers who were writing to an audience living for the first time in a post-religious world, a world of industrialization and romanticizing recently colonized faraway lands, trying to top "1001 Arabian Nights".

Early in the series Rust is convinced there is reasoning behind invoking the imagery, that there is a history behind it, but he doesn't really mention it much past episode 4. The Yellow King and Carcosa are just masks, red herrings, textures to hide the perpetrators of these very real crimes. Just as the good upstanding Christian community is a mask for the horrible stuff they do.

In the end there was no greater force controlling these bad bad people, they were all responsible for their own actions.

Well, no greater force except LSD and meth. Which explains a LOT.

http://i.imgur.com/jci5zU5.jpg

So should I watch S2? Seems most people were kinda lukewarm about it

no it's terrible

genuinely awful

that's what i heard so i skipped it too

http://i.imgur.com/RzoQZKl.gif

now you've seen the good part

it makes it abundantly clear that what was good in the first season was due to Harrelson/McConaughey and Fukunaga

Farrell tried hard but he had nothing to work with

rachel mcadams is attractive